Episodes
Welcome to AND/BOTH, the podcast that celebrates the messy, beautiful middle of motherhood and everything that comes with it.
Here you’ll find conversations with moms who are rewriting what it means to put themselves on the list, alongside parenting, working, loving, and living. Some episodes are guest interviews, others are solo reflections, but every story is honest, real, and here to remind you that you don’t have to choose either/or.
Browse the episodes below and press play on the ones that speak to you most.
Season 9
Episodes 97-108
Episode 97: Beyond Stage Tricks: How Hypnosis Reframes Stress and Creates Space for Change with Kristyn Livermore
What if the patterns you keep bumping up against aren’t actually you, but simply habits your mind has learned to run on repeat?
In this episode, I’m joined by Kristyn Livermore, director of West End Hypnosis, who shares her journey from being a client herself to building a practice that helps people rewire unhelpful patterns, step out of autopilot, and reconnect with their own sense of choice.
Kristyn opens up about:
- How hypnosis helped her rebuild confidence, release old patterns, and make lasting change
- Why “all hypnosis is self-hypnosis” and what that really means
- The difference between talk therapy and hypnosis, and how they can complement each other
- Tools for creating mental space when life feels overwhelming
- Why awareness is the first step to shifting into new ways of thinking and living
Whether you’re curious about hypnosis, looking for practical ways to step out of survival mode, or just want to hear an honest conversation about growth and change, this episode will leave you with fresh perspective (and maybe a few tools to try today).
Connect with Kristyn:
📱 @westendhypnosis on Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, and TikTok
Connect with Ashley:
Website: https://www.ashleyblackington.com
Dovetail® App: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/dovetail-app/id6744341822
Instagram: @andboth_podcast
Season 8
Episodes 85-96
Episode 96: The Ambition Paradox: Why Workplaces Fail Moms And What Makes Them Stay with Dr. Anne Welsh
What happens when motherhood collides with ambition and the systems around us weren’t built to support either?
This week, Ashley sits down with Dr. Anne Welsh, a clinical psychologist, executive coach, mom of four, and advocate for working parents. Anne’s career has spanned maternal mental health, coaching women in male-dominated industries, and consulting with organizations that are (finally) starting to realize they need to do more for their working parents.
In this episode, they explore:
- Why balance is less of a steady state and more of a constant dance
- How ambition shifts and sharpens after becoming a mom
- The hidden costs of workplaces that frame caregiving as an “individual problem”
- Why so many women leave corporate life, and what might make them stay
- The cultural shift happening as younger parents demand flexibility and support
Anne’s perspective is both deeply personal and big-picture. This conversation is a reminder that change starts with one voice, but it doesn’t have to end there.
Connect with Dr. Anne Welsh:
Website: drannewelsh.com
LinkedIn: Dr. Anne Welsh
Connect with Ashley:
Website: https://www.ashleyblackington.com
Dovetail® App: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/dovetail-app/id6744341822
Instagram: @andboth_podcast
Episode 95: Behind the Scenes and Mic: Building Community and Connection with Our Roundtable Series
Today’s episode goes behind the scenes with my roundtable cohost, Erin, host of the PG-ish Podcast. Even though we live on opposite sides of the country and have never met in person, Erin and I can dive into honest conversations and share truths that aren’t often talked about. We chat about our own podcasts, motherhood, where we’re heading next, and what’s fueling these episodes. We believe that community, whether virtual or in-person, truly matters, and we hope to share that community with you, the listener, as well.
Show links:
Erin: PG-ish Podcast
Listen to our roundtables:
◦ Episode 75: Caregiving, Careers & the Cost of Being "Fine"
◦ Episode 79: From Lost to Found: How Moms are Redefining Identity & Belonging
◦ Episode 85: Burned Out? How to Redefine Success in Work and Motherhood
◦ Episode 91: The Emotional Cost of Doing It All
Connect with Ashley:
Website: https://www.ashleyblackington.com
Podcast website: https://www.andbothpodcast.com/
Dovetail® App: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/dovetail-app/id6744341822
Instagram: @mydovetail.app
Episode 94: Both/And: Consulting, Caregiving, and Redefining Work with Kaleana Quibbell
Career. Parenthood. Flexibility. For so long, we’ve been told these choices are black and white- either you stay in the workforce full-time or you step away completely.
This week's episode features Kaleana Quibbell, a mom and corporate veteran who is challenging that story. After leaving her corporate career in internal benefits consulting, Kaleana built a new path as a part-time consultant and mom of two and in the process, she discovered countless other parents designing careers that don’t fit the old mold.
Kaleana founded Both&, a storytelling platform where parents share their journeys of reimagining work, whether that means consulting, freelancing, part-time roles, job-sharing, or simply advocating for more flexibility at work.
In this conversation, we explore:
- Why work and parenthood don’t have to be either/or
- The fears and freedom of leaving corporate life
- How consulting and part-time work can keep parents connected and relevant
- The importance of separating your expertise from your employer’s name
- Why companies need to rethink flexibility if they want to keep great talent
Kaleana’s perspective is honest, practical, and deeply encouraging. She reminds us that there’s no one right way to combine work and family and that we all benefit from seeing what’s possible.
Connect with Kaleana:
Website: bothand.co
Instagram: @bothand.co
LinkedIn: Both And
Episode 93: Beyond “The Talk”: Everyday Conversations About Sex, Bodies & Boundaries with Angie Enger
If you grew up in the 80s or 90s, you probably remember “the talk”, one awkward, fluorescent-lit conversation at school or a quick birds-and-bees download from your parents. But as parents today, we know it doesn’t work like that anymore.
In this episode of AND/BOTH, I sit down with returning guest Angie Enger, a sex and self-intimacy coach, parent, and former teen clinic sex ed teacher, to talk about what it really looks like to have ongoing conversations with our kids about sex, consent, bodies, and relationships.
We cover:
- Why you’ve probably already started “the talk” without realizing it
- How to move beyond mechanics to values, boundaries, and consent
- The role of partners (and why these aren’t just “mom conversations”)
- What to do when kids bring home confusing or surprising language
- How to find trusted resources and other adults to support these conversations
- Why messing up or changing your answer later is not only okay, but healthy
Whether you’re parenting a curious five-year-old or a tween who suddenly knows more slang than you do, this conversation is here to remind you: you don’t have to be perfect, you just have to keep showing up.
Resources Mentioned:
TalkMore.org — conversation guides, age-appropriate tips, book lists
Magnificent Sex (book by Peggy J. Kleinplatz & A. Dana Ménard)
The Pregnant Body Book (DK Publishing)
Recommended children’s books on body parts and puberty (Angie suggests buying both the “penis” and “vulva” versions!)
About Angie:
Angie Enger is a sex and self-intimacy coach with a background in counseling and human sexuality. She works with individuals and couples to strengthen their relationships with themselves and each other. Angie is also a parent navigating these conversations in real life, and she brings both expertise and lived experience to the table.
Connect with Angie: http://angieenger.com or
Episode 92: Living with Grief: Why it Never Leaves and How We Grow With It with Mandy Capeheart
In this deeply honest and nourishing conversation, I’m joined by grief educator, somatic practitioner, and trauma-informed coach Mandy Capehart for a conversation that reaches far beyond loss—and straight into how we live, parent, and show up for ourselves and each other in the messiness of life.
Mandy shares her personal journey through profound grief, including the loss of her mother and the unraveling of her previous life in the wake of that loss. We talk about the myth of “moving on,” what it means to support others in grief without needing to fix it, and how accepting grief as a lifelong companion (rather than a problem to solve) opens us up to deeper compassion, rest, and wholeness.
We also explore:
- How grief lives in parenting—and why modeling rest, boundaries, and vulnerability for our kids matters
- The emotional labor of managing other people’s discomfort while you’re the one grieving
- Why “urgent healing” is a lie and grief is never a one-and-done
- What grief literacy is and how it can help us be better humans to each other
- How community care (even snack prep!) is part of real support
- Mandy’s work reminds us that we don’t have to be “fully put together” to be worthy of care or capable of growth. And if you’ve ever felt like you had to keep it all together while quietly falling apart, this episode is for you.
Connect with Mandy:
Website: MandyCapehart.com
Instagram & Threads: @MandyCapehart
Twitter: @MandyCapehart
BlueSky: @mandycapehart.bsky.social
Podcast: Restorative Grief with Mandy Capehart
The Guidebook: https://amzn.to/3XiqXm9
Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/mandycapehart
Ebook (giveaway for your audience): https://www.mandycapehart.com/freeguide/
Enneagram specific ebook: https://www.mandycapehart.com/enneagramebook/
Episode 91: ROUNDTABLE- Listening to the Whispers: Care, Cancer, and Choosing Yourself with Amri Kibbler & Heather Chauvin
In this powerful and unfiltered roundtable episode, Ashley and Erin sit down with Heather Chauvin and Amri Kibbler, two women who have faced the unthinkable: a cancer diagnosis in the middle of motherhood, business, and everyday survival.
Together, they open up about the moments they knew something was wrong, the delays in care, and how deeply ingrained patterns of people-pleasing and self-neglect played a role in their stories. But this conversation goes beyond cancer, it’s about reclaiming your intuition, setting real boundaries, and redefining what it means to take care of yourself as a woman and a mother.
Inside this episode, we explore:
- The moment you know something is wrong but keep pushing through
- What it means to advocate for yourself when no one else is
- How emotional labor and caregiving become invisible burdens
- Burnout, grief, and the realities of parenting while healing
- Letting go of friendships and roles that no longer serve you
- Why self-care isn’t a spa day—it’s a survival strategy
- Rebuilding your life with intention after everything falls apart
- This conversation is real, layered, and painfully relatable. It’s about what happens when you finally stop carrying everyone else and realize you’ve been disappearing in the process.
Episode 90: Introducing Dovetail: Creating Room for Caregivers to Breathe, Build, and Belong
Ashley is solo this week to talk about caregiving, creativity, and what it really means to support mothers as whole people. She shares updates on her digital platform Dovetail, reopens consulting hours under Home Field Advantage, and introduces two exciting new offerings: the And/Both Community (now open!) and the Nurtured Entrepreneur Retreat (coming 2026).
This is a personal, grounding episode about honoring the invisible work caregivers do and why it’s time we make space for their dreams, too.
- Why caregiving is foundational to our economy and how we can better support those holding it all together
- How the Dovetail platform simplifies care coordination for families navigating aging, illness, or long-distance caregiving
- The importance of honest conversations about aging, autonomy, and asking for help—before a crisis hits
- How to reclaim creative space as a caregiver or mom, including a sneak peek at the upcoming Nurtured Entrepreneur Retreat
Connect with Ashley:
Website: https://dovetaildesigns.co
Podcast website: https://www.andbothpodcast.com/
AND/BOTH Community: https://www.andbothpodcast.com/andboth-community
Dovetail® App: https://airtable.com/appn6w6IWipJYIuA3/pagZys7UnECzM46iJ/form
Episode 89: [Re-Air] Layer by Layer: Solo Motherhood, Parental Leave, and Choosing a Human-Centered Life with Nicole Lenzen
In this throwback episode, Ashley sits down with Nicole Lenzen—a solo mom by choice, former wedding dress designer, tech consultant, and now a coach specializing in parental leave transitions. Nicole shares her unique journey through multiple career paths, a major health wake-up call, and the decision to become a solo parent. After navigating an overwhelming return-to-work experience post-leave, she pivoted into coaching to help others through similar transitions.
The conversation explores:
- Why Nicole chose solo motherhood and how her medical diagnosis shaped that decision
- Her nonlinear career—from Silicon Valley to couture bridal design to corporate consulting
- The messiness and mismanagement of parental leave policies in the U.S
- How chronic stress manifests physically—and how that led to Nicole’s shift toward a values-aligned life
- Creating human-centered systems within corporate culture
- Her current work helping both individuals and companies navigate parental leave with empathy and structure
This episode is filled with powerful reflections on identity, intergenerational trauma, and how corporate systems often fail parents—especially mothers. Nicole and Ashley talk honestly about the emotional and logistical load of parenthood, lack of support in the workplace, and how change is slowly being pushed forward by people who are no longer willing to “stick their head in the blender” and pretend it’s normal.
Episode 88: [Re-Air] From Grief to Growth and Rejecting External Validation with Abby Waychoff
In today's episode, we chat with Abby Wachoff, an occupational therapist and mother, to discuss the profound impact of losing her sister to cancer. Abby shares her raw and heartfelt journey through grief, how it reshaped her life and career, and her decision to pursue a master's in mental health counseling. They delve into the complexities of motherhood, grief, and the importance of being present. Abby's story of resilience and transformation offers valuable insights and a reminder that 'nothing is wasted.'
Connect with Abby:
Instagram: @mother.lover.ot
Episode 87: Slowing Down to Stay Alive: Amri Kibbler on Health, Hustle, and Listening to Your Body
In this episode of AND/BOTH, we’re joined by creative visionary and women’s health advocate Amri Kibbler for a raw and necessary conversation about burnout, motherhood, entrepreneurship, and surviving not one but two colon cancer diagnoses. Amri shares how she went from editor at Glamour and co-founder of the 75,000+ member HeyMama community to navigating medical gaslighting, missed diagnoses, and the fight to be heard.
We explore how slowing down became Amri’s greatest act of self-preservation, how she’s redefined ambition and healing, and why listening to your body might just save your life. Whether you’re juggling business and babies or pushing through when your body says stop, this episode is a heartfelt reminder to tune in, speak up, and prioritize your health.
You'll hear:
Amri’s early media career and building the HeyMama network
The warning signs she missed, and how long it took to get diagnosed
Navigating colon cancer during the pandemic with young kids and a growing company
The emotional toll of looking “fine” while being critically ill
Creating a personal care team and journaling symptoms to advocate for yourself
Why colon cancer is rising in younger adults and what screenings are essential
The importance of redefining success and slowing down, especially as a mom and entrepreneur
Links to resources on Colorectal Cancer:
Statistics: https://www.cancer.org/cancer/types/colon-rectal-cancer/about/key-statistics.html
Risk Factors: https://www.cancer.org/cancer/types/colon-rectal-cancer/causes-risks-prevention/risk-factors.html
Episode 86: The Overlooked Link Between Motherhood, Money, and Sustainable Business Growth with Jac White
What if building a sustainable business and raising a family didn’t have to feel like a juggling act? In this episode of the And Both podcast, we’re joined by Jac White, founder of Honeybees Group and self-proclaimed “anti-make-seven-figures-in-your-sleep-by-posting-on-Instagram” sales coach. Jac gets real about building businesses, motherhood, and the money myths holding so many women back. With zero fluff and all the practical strategy, she shares how to figure out your Enough Number, why community support is the secret sauce, and how to finally start selling in a way that feels human. Whether you’re a mompreneur in the messy middle or dreaming of ditching corporate life, this conversation will leave you feeling fired up and fully seen.
What you'll hear in this episode:
- How to calculate your “Enough Number” to create realistic, sustainable business goals
- Why most women undercharge and how to start asking for what you’re actually worth
- The difference between real sales strategy and Instagram illusion
- How Jac transitioned from corporate to consulting to community-building
- Why relationship-driven selling is the game-changer for service-based businesses
Questions Answered in This Episode:
- What’s the first step you should take before setting your revenue goal?
- Why do women (especially moms) hesitate to call themselves “salespeople”?
- What are the biggest tax pitfalls new business owners face and how can you avoid them?
- How can you build true connection and community without burning out?
- What does it actually look like to raise a family while running a business?
Connect with Jac White:
Website: honeybeesgroup.co
Episode 85: Roundtable #3 Burned Out? How to Redefine Success in Work and Motherhood
In this powerful roundtable conversation, Ashley Blackington is joined again by Erin Holland (PG-ish Podcast), Dr. Sheryl Ziegler (psychologist and author of Mommy Burnout), and Alison Campbell (founder of Unburnt) for an honest, timely deep dive into burnout, what it looks like, what it feels like, and what it takes to truly recover. From the physical and emotional toll to the identity-shifting wake-up calls, this episode is both validating and empowering for anyone trying to do it all while feeling crispy around the edges.
In this conversation:
- The three core hallmarks of burnout and how to recognize them early
- How chronic stress manifests physically and why completing the stress cycle is essential
- The surprising connection between infertility and stress
- How burnout impacts career-driven women, working moms, and caregivers differently
- What to do when your dream job becomes unsustainable
- How our definitions of success (and workplace values) are evolving with new generations
- Practical tools for burnout recovery and sustainable well-being
- Why community connection is more powerful than cucumbers on your eyes
Connect with Alison:
Website: https://www.getunburnt.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/get_unburnt/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alison-campbell-3035b63/
Connect with Dr. Ziegler:
Website: http://www.drsherylziegler.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drsherylziegler/
Season 7
Episodes 73-84
Episode 84: Unapologetically Both: Entrepreneurship, Motherhood & Life on Your Terms with Gabs Hayes
Gabs Hayes, entrepreneurial mother of three and founder of The Village community, shares her powerful journey from corporate burnout to intentional living. After experiencing the loss of her son seven years ago, Gabs began questioning everything she thought life was supposed to be. In this raw and honest conversation, she discusses how she and her family have lived as "slow nomads" across seven states in 11 years, why she shut down her seven-figure consulting business after reaching complete burnout and suicidal ideation, and how she's rebuilt her life around presence and intentionality. Gabs opens up about rejecting the "shoulds" of traditional parenting and business, the reality of mental health struggles as an entrepreneur and mother, and why "balance is bullshit" when you're trying to do life and business simultaneously.
In this conversation you'll hear:
- How to recognize the difference between everyday stress and true burnout that requires immediate attention and intervention
- Why waiting for "someday" to live the life you want is a dangerous gamble - and how to start making changes now
- The power of questioning every "should" in your life and determining which expectations are self-imposed versus actually necessary
- How to navigate major life transitions (like business pivots or family changes) while maintaining your mental health and family stability
- Why community and authentic connection are essential for parents building businesses, not just nice-to-haves
- How to set boundaries with school activities, volunteer requests, and social expectations without guilt
- The importance of living intentionally in the present rather than constantly chasing future goals or dwelling on past decisions
- How to recognize when your current path (even a successful one) is no longer aligned with who you're becoming
- Why it's okay to hate certain aspects of parenting while still being a good parent - and how to be honest about those struggles
- How to build a life strategy that works for your family rather than following someone else's blueprint for success
- The value of taking alone time and mini-sabbaticals to prevent burnout and maintain clarity
- How to find and create authentic community as a parent, both online and in-person, especially when you're not naturally social
Connect with Gabs:
Overhelmed & Over it podcast: https://gabshayes.com/podcast
Free Monthly Entrepreneur Q&A: https://www.thebravestart.com/entrepreneur-q&a
Episode 83: Making Room for the Messy Middle: Parenting, Business & Identity Shifts with Amy Leclerc from Sit Still Kids
In today's episode, Ashley chats with Amy Leclerc, co-owner and president of franchising at Sit Still Kids, shares her journey from magazine publishing in NYC to scaling boutique fitness with Bar Method to revolutionizing the children's haircare industry. In this conversation, Amy discusses how she's built multiple franchise businesses while raising two kids, the importance of work-life integration over balance, and why she believes there's a huge untapped market in specialized services for children. She opens up about navigating the messy middle of parenting teens, the changing landscape of education and career paths, and how taking exceptional care of yourself isn't selfish, it's essential for showing up as your best self in all areas of life.
In this conversation you'll hear:
• How to identify and capitalize on underserved markets (like the 1:92,500 ratio of kids' salons to children under 12)
• The difference between building a business versus building a brand, and why that distinction matters for scalability
• How to navigate major career transitions while growing a family without sacrificing either
• Why work-life integration beats work-life balance, and how companies like Bar Method pioneered flexible work cultures long before it was trendy
• The reality of franchise development and what it takes to scale from one location to 150+ nationwide
• How to maintain your entrepreneurial edge while co-parenting teens who are figuring out their own paths
• Why the traditional college-to-career pipeline might not be the best option for every kid (and the alternatives worth considering)
• The importance of modeling resilience and showing your children that adults are still learning and growing too
• How to practice "exceptional self-care" as a busy parent and business owner without guilt
• Why intuition is an underrated but essential business skill, and how to develop your ability to spot trends before they become mainstream
Connect with Amy Leclerc
Website: sitstillkids.com
Instagram: @sitstillkids
Episode 82: Breaking the Silence: Moms, Marriage & Sexual Intimacy with Angie Enger
In this candid conversation, Ashley welcomes Angie Anger, a self intimacy and sex coach, to the And Both Podcast. Angie shares her non-linear journey from counseling and corporate marketing to becoming a coach who helps women and femmes reconnect with their bodies, pleasure, and self-worth—especially through the lens of motherhood and long-term partnership. With empathy, humor, and a refreshing dose of honesty, they discuss desire types, communication barriers, emotional labor, and how parenthood reshapes intimacy. Angie reminds us: you’re not broken, you’re just human.
In this conversation you'll hear:
- The difference between responsive vs. spontaneous desire (and why most women aren’t broken)
- Why connection and self-intimacy matter more than scheduled sex
- How shifting your mindset from performance to play can transform your relationship
- The sex spiral of doom that many moms fall into—and how to break it
- How motherhood, aging, and identity shifts influence desire and pleasure
- Why Angie only works with individuals and not couples (and how it helps)
- Real talk on body image, communication breakdowns, and the dishes fight
- Coaching insights that help moms reclaim their pleasure on their own terms
- Angie’s advice for the mom who feels unseen, unsexy, and unsure where to start
- A preview of part two: how to talk to your kids about sex, bodies, and consent
Connect with Angie:
IG: @angieengercoach
Episode 81: From Basement to Brand: How Julie Cole, Mom of Six, Built Mabel’s Labels Without Losing Herself
Ashley Blackington welcomes Julie Cole, co-founder of Mabel’s Labels, for a rich conversation on motherhood, entrepreneurship, and building a life and business that actually works. Julie shares her journey from lawyer to mom of six to label mogul, and all the messy, meaningful moments in between. She opens up about flexible work, raising independent kids, and the unfiltered truth of growing a business out of a basement into a beloved international brand. Expect inspiration, humor, and hard-won wisdom from someone who’s done it all, with a label for literally everything.
What you’ll learn:
- What inspired Julie to leave law and launch Mabel’s Labels with her sisters
- How entrepreneurship evolved alongside raising six kids (yes, six!)
- The mental load of motherhood and how to protect your identity through it
- Real talk on flexibility, burnout, and the myth of #BossMom
- The role of community, visibility, and mentorship in building a sustainable business
Questions answered in this episode:
- How do you balance entrepreneurship with parenting, especially in the early years?
- What conversations and sacrifices are required when leaving a traditional career?
- How did Julie and her co-founders grow Mabel’s Labels without social media?
- What lessons does she share with new founders and mompreneurs today?
- How can women show up as leaders and still prioritize their families?
Connect with Julie Cole:
Website: mabelslabels.com/juliecole
Instagram: @juliecole
LinkedIn: Julie Cole
Book: Like a Mother: Birthing Businesses, Babies, and a Life Beyond Labels
Episode 80: Leaving Corporate, Launching T‑Collective & Raising Digitally Aware Kids with Tricia Mirchandani
In this episode of AND/BOTH, host Ashley Blackington sits down with Tricia Mirchandani, founder and creative director of T Collective, to explore what it really looks like to build a business on your own terms. They dive into the realities of parenting in the digital age, the winding road of creative entrepreneurship, and how Tricia is using her career to build a better front door not just for herself, but for others. Together, they discuss how to raise social media-literate kids, manage work-life flexibility, and navigate the unglamorous but powerful side of growing in public.
You’ll hear in this episode:
Why social media education is the new “driver’s ed” for kids
How to model healthy digital habits at home
What it means to re-launch your career after a “failed” freelance attempt
How Tricia built T Collective after a corporate career in hospitality marketing
The difference between great copywriting and strategic brand storytelling
The power of LinkedIn to rebuild and rebrand
Why Tricia believes in side doors, collective success, and paying it forward
How family rhythms and business goals can support (not compete) with each other
The impact of digital transparency on kids’ social awareness
Why the ability to mute a group text might just be the ultimate life skill
Connect with Tricia Mirchandani:
Website: https://triciamirchandani.com/
Business site: https://www.withtcollective.com/
Instagram: @with.t.collective
LinkedIn: Tricia Mirchandani
Episode 79: Roundtable #2- From Lost to Found: How Moms are Redefining Identity & Belonging
In today's roundtable episode, Ashley and Erin chat with two women building deeply human solutions for working moms: Kate Tovsen, founder of The Society of Working Moms and Kate Tovsen Media, and Alli Kushner, founder of BeeKyn, a soon-to-launch playdate matching and scheduling platform for modern families.
We explore why loneliness is a shared, but rarely talked about part of motherhood, especially for those balancing careers, businesses, and caregiving. Each guest offers a unique lens into how accessible community, supportive tools, and even digital innovation like asynchronous connection or curated online spaces can create more room for joy, help, and human connection in this messy middle of parenting.
Whether you’re raising toddlers or teens, running a company or running late to pickup, this conversation will help you feel seen, and remind you that building meaningful community is possible, even in a world that feels increasingly noisy and disconnected.
In this conversation you'll hear:
Why 70% of moms report feeling lonely—and what to do about it
How motherhood changes your ability to connect (and what community can look like now)
Why the “right” community for you will change over time
The difference between joining a community and staying in one
How tech can support, not replace, real-life connection
Tips for building your own support network, even in small, siloed ways
How parenting, business, and identity overlap in real-world community-building
Why perfection isn’t the point—starting messy is often the key
Connect with Alli:
Website: https://allikushner.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/allisonkushner/
Connect with Kate:
Episode 78: Sustainable Growth, AI Conversations with Kids, and Reinventing Your Career—with Joselyne Walter
In this episode, Ashley is joined by Joselyne Walter, a first-generation Latina business owner, marketing expert, and founder of The DIGG Agency. With a background in dispatching 36,000 truckloads a month and leading marketing efforts for some of the top companies on the Fortune 500 list, Joselyne shares her powerful journey from supply chain to C-suite to self-employment.
Their conversation dives into how she built a scalable agency rooted in sustainable growth, why she walked away from corporate leadership, and how AI is reshaping not just her work—but her parenting. From career pivots to teaching kids about tech to redefining success on your own terms, Joselyne’s story will resonate with anyone navigating ambition and real life at the same time.
In this conversation you'll hear:
How Joselyne transitioned from dispatch supervisor to marketing director to agency founder
The meaning of sustainable growth—and how to actually build a business around it
How she’s using AI to increase efficiency and reduce overwhelm
Ways to introduce AI tools to your kids (and have fun doing it!)
Why giving yourself permission to grow slowly might be your smartest move
The impact of being raised by immigrant parents on her entrepreneurial mindset
How to work smarter (not harder) using tools and delegation
Questions Answered in This Episode:
How do you pivot from a nontraditional career path into entrepreneurship?
What does building a sustainable business as a mom really look like?
How is AI changing the way marketers and entrepreneurs operate daily?
Can AI actually support creativity, parenting, and project planning?
What mindset shifts are needed when leaving a high-level corporate job?
How can we teach our kids to be responsible and creative with AI?
What does prioritization look like when you have limited time and big goals?
What are the risks and opportunities AI brings to future generations?
How does someone with limited formal education raise a child who leads at the highest level?
Connect with Joselyne Walter:
Website: www.thediggagency.com
Episode 77: Making a Life That Belongs to You Through Every Season of Motherhood with Mary D'Agostino
In this episode of the AND/BOTH podcast, Ashley sits down with Mary D’Agostino, mother of five, grandmother of seven, intuitive healer, and author—to explore the evolving identity of motherhood across decades. As the show’s first grandmother guest, Mary brings a grounded, wisdom-filled perspective to the conversation, touching on everything from teen pregnancy and single motherhood to building a life that reflects your truest self. With warmth, candor, and a touch of humor, Mary invites listeners to pause, reflect, and trust their inner voice through every season of life.
In this conversation you'll hear:
What it means to create a life that truly belongs to you
How motherhood evolves across generations—and what stays the same
The importance of listening to your intuition, especially when the world gets loud
Why the stories and support of those ahead of us matter so deeply
How generational healing, grief, and caregiving shape identity
The power of saying a firm “no” when something doesn’t resonate
Ways to center yourself during life transitions—without “burning it all down”
Why showing up for yourself is showing up for your family
How Mary ended up sharing her story on Oprah (!)
How modern motherhood can reclaim agency without the pressure to perform
Connect with Mary D’Agostino:
Website: www.marydagostino.com
Episode 76: Behind the Mic: What’s Next for the Podcast, Parenthood, and Dovetail
In this behind-the-scenes solo episode, Ashley offers an update and peek into what’s happening on and off the mic. From wrapping up Season 7 and kicking off Season 8 with a brand-new roundtable series, to pressing pause on summer recording and launching a care logistics platform years in the making—this episode is full of transitions, clarity, and new beginnings. Ashley also shares the personal “why” behind Dovetail, her care coordination tool built from years of experience as an OT and caregiver advocate.
In this conversation you'll hear:
- Why Season 8 is already shaping up to be the biggest yet
- The story behind the new Roundtable Series (and how it came to be)
- What summer looks like when you’re running a business and parenting
- Why the podcast recording calendar is going dark until September
- A peek into Ashley’s changing season of life—with all kids headed to school
- The origin story of Dovetail, a care logistics platform built for family caregivers
- How Ashley’s work as an occupational therapist shaped the platform’s mission
- Why care planning needs to start before crisis mode hits
- The demographic time bomb facing the caregiving system
- How Dovetail aims to make caregiving more collaborative, connected, and sustainable
Connect with Ashley:
Website: https://dovetaildesigns.co
AND/BOTH Community: https://www.andbothpodcast.com/andboth-community
Dovetail® App: https://airtable.com/appn6w6IWipJYIuA3/pagZys7UnECzM46iJ/form
Instagram: @dovetailapp
Episode 75: Roundtable #1- Caregiving, Careers & the Cost of Being "Fine": A Roundtable on What the Research Says About Modern Motherhood and Work
In this first-ever collaborative roundtable with the PG-ish Podcast, Ashley Blackington and Erin Holland welcome powerhouse thought leaders Jess Ringgenberg (Elixir Coaching) and Leslie Forde (Mom’s Hierarchy of Needs) to unpack the real, raw, and research-backed realities of modern motherhood, caregiving, and careers. From burnout to benefits nobody knows how to access, and the persistent myth that moms are “fine,” this episode sheds light on the data, the lived experiences, and the quiet crisis facing working mothers. The group discusses everything from middle motherhood to the “default parent” dilemma, sandwich caregiving, workplace policy reform, and why empathy alone isn’t enough—we need systems change, and we need it now.
What you’ll learn:
- Why burnout is often the catalyst for career shifts among moms
- The data behind declining support for mothers post-pandemic
- How workplace benefits are often underutilized or misunderstood
- What “default parent syndrome” looks like at home and at work
- The invisible mental load of caregiving—across generations
- Why culture change needs to be systemic, not dependent on “one good manager”
- How caregiving impacts mental health and long-term career trajectories
- Key takeaways from Leslie’s ongoing longitudinal study and Jess’s organizational research
- The urgent need for care-conscious leadership training
- Actionable ways employers can build real infrastructure around caregiving
Questions answered in this episode:
- Why are so many mothers still burned out—five years after the pandemic began?
- What is the actual ROI for companies who invest in supporting caregivers?
- What does “modern motherhood” really look like—and why do our systems ignore it?
- How do we stop relying on individual leaders and start building systemic change?
- What small, daily self-care steps can truly make a difference for overwhelmed moms?
- What’s the difference between feeling supported and being supported at work?
- Why do mothers leave traditional careers, and what does that mean for talent retention?
- What should workplace benefits look like across different caregiving phases?
- Why are we still afraid to talk about caregiving and burnout at work?
- What do sandwich caregivers need—and why are they often left out of the conversation?
Connect with Erin:
Website: https://www.pgishparenting.com
Instagram: @pgishparenting
Connect with Jess:
Website: elixircoaching.com
Instagram: @jess.elixr.modernmotherhood
LinkedIn: Jess Ringgenberg
Connect with Leslie:
Website: momshierarchyofneeds.com
Research Study Participation: Join here
LinkedIn: Leslie Forde
Episode 74: The Truth About Sandwich Caregiving & What No One Prepares You For with Katie Schlott
In this honest conversation, Ashley is joined by Katie Schlott, a product innovation leader, writer, and mother, who opens up about her sudden entry into the world of caregiving when her mother became disabled just months before the pandemic. With young children at home and a demanding career, Katie found herself navigating a crash course in elder care, disability systems, Medicaid, power of attorney, and emotional survival.
Together, Ashley and Katie unpack the often-invisible labor of the “sandwich generation,” the logistical overwhelm that goes unnoticed, and how community, preparation, and reframing can make caregiving feel a little less lonely. If you’ve ever felt buried by caregiving or wondered how to prepare before crisis hits—this episode is for you.
In this conversation you'll hear:
- What it means to be part of the “sandwich generation”
- How sudden caregiving reshapes your identity, time, and priorities
- The emotional toll and systemic failings of caregiving in the U.S.
- Why caregiving conversations are so hard—and so necessary
- How to organize care logistics with simple but powerful tools
- What “living in secret” as a caregiver looks like and why it’s harmful
- How to prepare your family now (even if it feels awkward)
- The importance of mental health support and redefining self-care
Questions Answered in This Episode:
- What does caregiving look like when it hits suddenly?
- Why is there such a silence around aging, caregiving, and death?
- How do you navigate systems like Medicaid and long-term care as a beginner?
- What’s the emotional impact of being a caregiver and a parent?
- How can we better support working caregivers—at home and at work?
- What tools and habits can ease the caregiving load day to day?
Connect with Katie Schlott:
LinkedIn: Katie Schlott
Fast Company Articles
Fast Company, Your Sandwich Generation employees need help. Here's what to do
Fast Company, Empathy isn't enough. Why includes design principles unlock what leaders need
Episode 73: What No One Tells You About Caregiving: Katie Kristofic’s Story of Building Support for Families
In this powerful episode of the AND/BOTH Podcast, Dr. Ashley Blackington welcomes Katie Kristofic, founder of The Carefullist and host of the Carefullist Podcast. Katie shares her deeply personal journey through caregiving after her mother was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s disease, ultimately inspiring her to build a resource hub and community for family caregivers. With more than 20 years of experience in strategic marketing and communications, Katie has leveraged her professional background and personal story to create a space that addresses the overlooked and under-discussed aspects of caregiving. From sandwich generation stress to financial planning pitfalls and the emotional toll of long-term care, this conversation offers both insight and hope for caregivers navigating similar paths.
What you'll learn:
How Katie's caregiving experience shaped the creation of The Carefullist
Why long-term care planning is critical—and so often misunderstood
The realities and emotional challenges of sandwich (and club sandwich) caregiving
Insights on the Medicare five-year lookback and financial pitfalls to avoid
How context and environment impact dementia progression
The importance of humor, community, and resource-sharing for caregiver sustainability
Why caregiving is often invisible labor—and how The Carefullist is working to change that
Questions answered in this episode:
What sparked the creation of The Carefullist and the Carefullist Podcast?
What is the sandwich generation—and how does Katie define “club sandwich” caregiving?
What does long-term care planning really entail?
Why are most families unprepared for the financial realities of aging and dementia?
What are the unseen emotional costs of caregiving?
How can caregivers carve out time for themselves in the midst of overwhelm?
Why does Katie say the system is "designed for you to fail"?
What are some practical, emotionally intelligent ways to approach driving and dementia?
How can we reframe caregiving from a project management lens to a human connection?
Connect with Katie Kristofic:
Website: www.carefullist.com
Instagram: @carefullist
YouTube: The Carefullist Podcast
LinkedIn: Katie Kristofic
Season 6
Episodes 61-72
Episode 72: What the Research Says About Moms, Self-Care, and the Path to Repair with Leslie Forde
In this episode, Ashley Blackington welcomes Leslie Forde, founder and CEO of Mom’s Hierarchy of Needs and upcoming author of Repair With Self-Care: Your Guide to the Mom’s Hierarchy of Needs. With humor, honesty, and deep research-backed insight, Leslie unpacks the complex emotional and logistical layers of caregiving, particularly motherhood, in a post-pandemic world. She discusses how societal expectations, personal habits, and systemic structures collide—and what we can do about it. From redefining self-care to advocating for policy change and workplace flexibility, this is a must-listen for anyone navigating care, career, and their own mental health.
Inside this episode:
- The origin and evolution of Mom’s Hierarchy of Needs
- How Leslie’s research is changing the conversation around parental burnout
- Why self-care isn’t optional and how to reclaim it
- The intersection of public policy, workplace culture, and maternal well-being
- What the pandemic revealed about caregiving and equity
- Actionable ways moms can “vote with their wallets” for change
- How organizations can retain working parents and caregivers
- The critical role of Employee Resource Groups (ERGs) in supporting caregiver wellbeing
- Why women’s mental and physical health are directly impacted by invisible labor
- The long and short game strategies for changing the systems that hold moms back
Questions answered in this episode:
- What is the Mom’s Hierarchy of Needs, and how did it begin?
- Why do moms struggle to care for themselves and how can that change?
- How has the pandemic reshaped caregiving and work?
- What long-term solutions exist for systemic inequities in care and labor?
- Why is self-care a “ministry” for Leslie?
- How can moms find clarity on what actually matters in their day-to-day?
- What is the role of employers in creating family-friendly workplaces?
- What’s the danger of society “returning to normal” post-pandemic?
- How can mothers advocate for change through spending power?
- What’s in Leslie’s upcoming book, Repair With Self-Care?
Connect with Leslie Forde:
Website: https://momshierarchyofneeds.com
Book (Pre-order): Repair With Self-Care: Your Guide to the Mom’s Hierarchy of Needs (available wherever books are sold
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leslieforde/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/momshierarchy
Episode 71: Why Modern Motherhood Feels Impossible: Journalist Zara Hanawalt on Work, Care, and Burnout
In this week’s episode of The In Both Podcast, host Dr. Ashley welcomes journalist and twin mom Zara Hanawalt, whose bylines include Vogue, Cosmopolitan, Parents, The New York Times for Kids, and more. Zara’s work dives deep into the intersections of motherhood, culture, and women’s health—especially in a post-pandemic world where millions of moms were forced to reckon with impossible expectations and invisible labor.
In this candid, thoughtful, and at times hilarious conversation, Ashley and Zara explore what it was like parenting toddlers during lockdown, why remote work offered a glimpse of something more sustainable, and how the culture has since regressed—leaving moms to quietly pick up the pieces. From putting the grocery cart back with four kids in tow to viral trad-wife aesthetics, this conversation peels back the layers on the “have it all” myth and asks: why are moms the only ones being asked to bend?
Whether you’re a stay-at-home parent, working mom, freelance warrior, or somewhere in between, this episode is full of validation, insight, and a reminder that no one is doing it wrong—it’s just that the system wasn’t built to support any of us.
In this conversation:
- How the pandemic reshaped parenting roles and revealed deep systemic flaws
- Why freelance work can be a survival tactic for moms, not just a “girl boss” dream
- The emotional and logistical toll of caregiving without support
- How return-to-office culture is erasing hard-won flexibility for families
- The difference between advocating for mothers and simply “complaining”
- Why stay-at-home parenting is labor, even if it’s unpaid
- The role of social media in promoting extreme (and unrealistic) portrayals of motherhood
- How gender bias shows up in everyday parenting expectations
- What needs to change culturally and politically to better support mothers
- That taking care of yourself doesn’t have to look a certain way, quiet moments count too
Connect with Zara:
Website: www.zaraalt.com
Instagram: @zaraalt
TikTok: @zaraalt
Episode 70: From Surgeon to Startup: Dr. Noor Ali on Building Businesses, Babies, and Boundaries
In this episode of The And Both Podcast, Dr. Ashley welcomes Dr. Noor Ali, a Bangladeshi-American medical doctor turned health insurance consultant, community builder, and beverage brand co-founder. Dr. Ali shares her remarkable journey from immigrating to the U.S. at age five to becoming a surgeon abroad and later pivoting her career after facing insurmountable red tape while trying to transfer her medical credentials back to the U.S.
In this conversation:
- How to navigate major life and career pivots with resilience and intention
- The surprising health insurance options available to entrepreneurs (and why benefits shouldn't hold you back)
- Why motherhood and business ownership don’t have to be at odds—and how Dr. Ali structures her week to honor both
- What it means to be a multi-passionate entrepreneur and how to build sustainably across different business models
- How Dr. Ali defines boundaries, self-care, and visibility in her personal and professional life
Questions Answered:
- What happens when your medical degree isn't recognized in the U.S., and how do you pivot after that?
- How can women safely and confidently leave corporate jobs without losing access to quality health insurance?
- What does it look like to create highly curated, impact-driven in-person networking experiences for women?
- How do you stay focused and productive while running multiple businesses and raising small kids?
- Why is honoring white space in your calendar and building slow, sustainable businesses critical?
Connect with Noor:
Website: https://drnoorhealth.com/
IG: https://www.instagram.com/dr.noorhealth/
Episode 69: Trauma Lives in the Body: Sangheetha Parthasarathy’s Journey Through Immigration and Healing
In this episode of The And Both Podcast, Ashley sits down with the incredible Sangheetha Parthasarathy—a Harvard and MIT alum, birth worker, and now nervous system coach. Sanha’s career journey took her from major consulting firms like Oracle and Accenture to co-founding a nonprofit focused on birth advocacy and eventually building her own body of work around somatic trauma healing and nervous system regulation.
Ashley and Sangheetha covered a lot in this conversation, including:
- What it feels like to live in limbo as an immigrant (she's immigrated twice and repatriated once)
- How immigration, perfectionism, attachment, and motherhood intersect
- How Sangheetha found healing and purpose through birth and postpartum experiences
- The connection between somatic work, nervous system regulation, and career pivots
- Why slowing down can feel really uncomfortable for high-achieving women and what to do about it
- Ashley and Sangheetha both shared their personal immigration stories and how that uncertainty shaped their nervous systems, their work, and their motherhood journeys.
Also in this episode:
- A better understanding of how nervous system regulation really works
- How systemic experiences like immigration, workaholism, and motherhood trauma live in the body
- Why traditional “self-care” can fall flat and what to do instead
- How to build safety in your body and life when the world feels unstable
- Sangheetha is someone who brings heart, clarity, and wisdom to every conversation and this one will leave you thinking deeply about how you care for your own nervous system, especially in chaotic times.
Connect with Sangheetha:
Website: https://www.sangparth.com/
Episode 68: Feeding with Love: Supporting Infants and Mothers in Uncertain Times With Suzie Driscoll
In this episode, Ashley is joined by Suzie Driscoll, a pediatric occupational therapist and founder of Tiny and Mighty Therapy, specializing in infant feeding. Together, they reflect on becoming first-time moms during the early days of the COVID-19 pandemic and how those experiences shaped their parenting, careers, and personal growth.
Suzie shares her journey from working at Seattle Children’s Hospital to launching her own private practice, motivated by the challenges she faced with feeding her newborn during lockdown. With deep empathy and clinical expertise, she now supports families through feeding difficulties and offers strategies rooted in prevention and early intervention.
In this conversation:
- The emotional and logistical realities of becoming a mom during the pandemic
- What pediatric feeding therapy looks like, especially for infants
- How Susie’s own feeding challenges as a new mom inspired her to help other families
- The importance of addressing feeding issues early and how therapy before and after tongue-tie procedures can support better outcomes
What it’s like to run a solo private practice while navigating motherhood, loss, and another pregnancy
- This episode is a powerful reminder that you’re not alone in your motherhood journey and that support, compassion, and clinical expertise can make a world of difference.
Connect with Suzie:
Website: https://www.tinyandmightytherapy.com
Instgram: @tinyandmighty_ot
Episode 67: Startups, Parenting and Unexpected Caregiving with Three Time Founder Ellen Hockley
In this episode, we're sitting down with Ellen Hockley, a seasoned entrepreneur, mom of two, and caregiver, to explore what it truly looks like to build and grow businesses while managing life’s most demanding roles. Ellen shares her journey from founding a sustainable event planning company in NYC, to launching a maternity activewear brand during the pandemic, and most recently, starting her consulting firm that supports postpartum and purpose-driven female founders.
The conversation also dives into Ellen’s unexpected role as a caregiver to her husband and the emotional toll, time demands, and isolation that can come with it. Ellen speaks candidly about postpartum depression, building businesses without social media, and the misconceptions moms face when stepping into entrepreneurship.
In this conversation:
- The real challenges and triumphs of starting and sustaining multiple businesses while raising young children
- Why paid parental leave and postpartum support matter deeply in the U.S.
- How Ellen helps early-stage female founders build realistic, sustainable businesses with strategic guidance
- The power of honest entrepreneurship and why the “six-figure in six months” promise isn’t what it seems
- Insights into caregiving as a young spouse and the impact it has on identity, relationships, and business
- That you can build a successful business without social media
Connect with Ellen:
Website: www.ellenhockley.com
Episode 66: Beyond Marketing: Exploring the Heart of Branding with previous Sony Exec and Branding Expert, Laura Bull
In this episode, Laura Bull, founder of The Brand Management Company and author of From Individual to Empire, joins us for an insightful conversation on personal branding, motherhood, and how identity evolves over time. Laura shares her journey from becoming one of the youngest executives at Sony Music—working with stars like Carrie Underwood and Brad Paisley—to launching her own brand agency while raising two daughters. She breaks down the difference between marketing and branding, how to craft a lasting narrative, and why personal evolution doesn’t mean abandoning who you are.
In this conversation:
- The difference between branding and marketing and why it matters for your business
- How to identify your personal brand pillars that stay true across all life seasons
- Why many entrepreneurs fail with marketing due to unclear branding
- How motherhood and big life transitions impact identity and brand narrative
- How Laura helps clients build sustainable, authentic brands with her signature brand matrix
- Why even powerhouse figures like Martha Stewart and Adele stick to core branding (and what you can learn from them!)
- Practical branding advice and tools
Connect with Laura:
Instagram: @thelaurabull and @thebrandmgmtco
Website: https://thebrandmgmt.com
Episode 65: Taking Time for You: The Power of 'Momcations' with Jillian McCloskey
In this episode, we chat with Jillian McCloskey, founder of Momcations.co, a travel company specializing in vacations just for moms. Jillian shares how her first solo trip to Iceland transformed her as a mother and inspired her to create a business that helps other moms take guilt-free, stress-free getaways—whether it's a solo trip, a retreat with other moms, or a quick weekend escape.
In this conversation:
- Why every mom needs a real break and why family vacations don’t count!
- How to make time for travel, even when your schedule is packed.
- Budget-friendly & short-term trip ideas for moms who can’t take a long vacation.
- Why stepping away actually makes you a better, more present parent.
- Practical tips for planning your first momcation, even if you’ve never traveled alone before.
Connect with Jillian:
Episode 64: The Power of Community for Entrepreneurial Moms: Insights from Erika Hanafin, former CEO of HeyMama
In this episode Ashley sits down with Erika Hanafin, the former CEO of Hey Mama, a massive networking community for entrepreneurial moms. Erika shares her insights on balancing business growth with motherhood, the unique strengths moms bring to entrepreneurship, and how to build confidence in both roles. With five successful acquisitions under her belt, she discusses her journey, the power of community, and how women can embrace ambition without guilt. Whether you're navigating startup life or looking for ways to reclaim your time, this episode is packed with practical strategies and inspiration for mom entrepreneurs.
In this conversation:
- How to balance motherhood and entrepreneurship without sacrificing personal well-being
- Why moms have unique leadership skills that make them powerful entrepreneurs
- How to shift your mindset to embrace confidence in business and leadership
- The importance of community in business growth and personal support
- How to set boundaries and prioritize personal needs without guilt
- Practical time management and productivity hacks to reclaim hours each week
- How to integrate ambition with family life in a sustainable way
- The role of mindset shifts in overcoming self-doubt and embracing opportunities
- Strategies for networking and building meaningful business relationships
- How to navigate different seasons of business and life with flexibility and resilience
Connect with Erika:
Website: erikahanafin.com
Instagram: @erikahanafin
Get Erika's free guide: 5 Steps to Scale Your Business
Episode 63: Living in Alignment: Heather Chauvin on the Importance of Prioritizing Your Own Values
This episode features Heather Chauvin, a leadership coach who helps successful women live, work, and parent on their own terms with courage and authenticity. Heather’s journey took a dramatic turn in 2013 when a stage 4 cancer diagnosis forced her to reevaluate everything she had been taught about motherhood, success, and sacrifice. Since then, she has been on a mission to challenge cultural expectations that lead to burnout and self-sacrifice, helping women redefine what it means to truly thrive.
Heather shares insights on breaking free from societal “shoulds,” prioritizing your own well-being without guilt, and leading from a place of alignment, all while being an engaged parent and successful entrepreneur. Her approach is real, refreshing, and unapologetic. If you’ve ever felt like you’re checking all the right boxes but still feeling drained, this conversation will inspire you to take your power back.
In this conversation:
- Why self-sacrifice isn’t a requirement for good motherhood
- How to listen to your intuition and trust yourself
- The dangers of ignoring your body’s whispers before they turn into screams
- Why prioritizing your own fulfillment is the key to thriving
- How to break free from cultural expectations and create a life that truly aligns with you
Connect with Heather:
Book: Dying to Be a Good Mother
Instagram: @heatherchauvin
Episode 62: Transparency in Parenting: Natasha Golinsky on Being Honest About the Challenges of Motherhood
In this episode with Natasha Golinsky, a business coach dedicated to helping solopreneur moms build teams, reclaim their time, and work fewer hours while maintaining a full-time income. As a mother of three and an entrepreneur, Natasha understands the overwhelming challenge of balancing business, family, and personal time without burnout.
We dive deep into the myths of motherhood and business, why so many moms feel pressured to "do it all," and how hiring the right support can transform your life. Natasha also shares her unfiltered take on motherhood, admitting that she didn’t love the early years and why it's important to normalize these feelings. If you're looking for a no-nonsense approach to business and motherhood, this episode is for you.
In this conversation:
- Why working less doesn’t mean making less
- How to delegate tasks at home and in business without guilt
- The importance of team-building for solopreneur moms
- How to step away from societal “shoulds” and define success on your own terms
- Why not loving certain parts of motherhood is normal and okay
Connect with Natasha
LinkedIn: Natasha Golinsky
Episode 61: The Power of Community: Supporting Women Through Pregnancy and Postpartum Transitions with Marnie Madras
In this episode, I sit down with Marnie Madras, the founder and CEO of Rumbly, a modern motherhood brand redefining the pregnancy experience. Marnie shares her journey from a corporate and startup career to becoming a postpartum doula and entrepreneur, all while balancing life as a mom of four. We talk about the challenges of pregnancy, the societal expectations placed on moms, and how Rumbly is helping women prioritize themselves during this transformative time.
In this conversation:
- How Marnie transitioned from corporate life to launching Rumbly and becoming a doula
- The realities of pregnancy and early motherhood, including the loss of identity many women experience
- Why self-care and individuality are essential during pregnancy and postpartum
- The role of community and support in making motherhood a more positive experience
- How Rumbly’s subscription and gift boxes are designed to celebrate moms not just babies
Connect with Marnie:
Website: rumbly.co
Instagram: @rumbly_co
Email: [email protected]
Season 5
Episodes 49-60
Episode 60: Global Perspectives on Parenthood: Mari Parker’s Journey as a Parent and Business Leader
In this episode, I chat with Mari Parker, a mom, entrepreneur, and the President & COO of Bouldr. We dive into the experience of pregnancy and motherhood at different life stages, the lessons learned from raising multiple children, and the balance between identity, career, and caregiving. Mari shares her insights on parenting with perspective, navigating change, and the importance of prioritizing yourself while raising a family.
What you’ll learn:
- How pregnancy feels different with each child and the shift in perspective over time
- The importance of self-care and making yourself a priority as a parent
- Navigating career and motherhood, especially when you’re in a leadership role
- How parenting is a personal development journey that constantly evolves
- The value of exposure to different cultures and perspectives in shaping our understanding of the world
Connect with Mari:
Website: www.boldrimpact.com
LinkedIn: Linkedin
Episode 59: Women, Entrepreneurship, and Risk-Taking in the Nonprofit World with Allison Prieur
In this episode, we talk with Allison Prieur, a mom of three and a nonprofit professional with over 20 years of experience in the sector. We dive into the gender and racial disparities in nonprofit work, how passion-driven labor is often undervalued, and the financial instability that so many nonprofit workers face. Allison shares how becoming a mom changed her perspective on the sector and led her to entrepreneurship, and we explore what needs to change for nonprofit workers to be fairly compensated for their impact.
What we discuss:
- The hidden gender and racial disparities in nonprofit work and how they impact financial stability
- Why passion-driven labor is often exploited and what that means for nonprofit workers and their families
- The challenges of balancing entrepreneurship, parenting, and higher education as a mom of three
- The reality of nonprofit funding cycles, last-minute budget approvals, and workforce burnout
- Why it’s so important for nonprofit organizations to advocate for fair wages and systemic change
- The intersection of motherhood, nonprofit work, and entrepreneurship and why women are expected to “do more with less”
- How we can create real change in the nonprofit sector through advocacy and collaboration
The power of evaluation and learning in nonprofits to drive long-term impact
Connect with Allison:
Website: www.dareic.com/store
Linkedin: http://linkedin.com/in/allisonprieur
Episode 58: Compassion for Disruptive Life Experiences: Navigating Grief and Motherhood with Katie Huey
In this episode Ashley and Katie Huey explore the intersection of grief, leadership, and parenting. Katie shares her personal journey through grief after losing her father and how it has shaped her work in leadership development. They discuss the complexities of navigating grief in both personal and professional settings, especially in the wake of the pandemic. The conversation delves into the importance of empathy, compassion, and self-care, particularly for mothers balancing ambition and emotional labor. Throughout the discussion, they emphasize the need for open conversations about grief and the human experience. We explore the complexities of motherhood, work-life balance, and the emotional landscape of being a woman today. They discuss the challenges of navigating personal and professional responsibilities, the importance of community and compassion, and the beauty found in both joy and sadness. The dialogue emphasizes the need for self-acceptance, the power of 'and both' in life choices, and the significance of ordinary moments in a world that often pressures women to excel in every aspect of life. They also touch on future aspirations, personal growth, and the importance of finding joy in the journey.
Connect with Katie:
Instagram: @52beautifulthings
Website: katiehuey.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/katie-huey-acc-b10969aa/
Email: [email protected]
Episode 57: Building a Business You Love Without Sacrificing Motherhood With Jessica Murray
In this episode, we chat with Jessica Murray, founder of Empower, shares her journey from corporate success to building a business that aligns with her values as a mother and entrepreneur. Jessica reflects on the identity shift motherhood brings and how it impacts career choices, offering actionable insights for moms navigating similar transitions.
In this conversation:
- The emotional and professional challenges of transitioning from corporate life to entrepreneurship as a mother.
- How to navigate the identity shift that comes with motherhood and embrace new career paths.
- Practical strategies for balancing work and motherhood without losing sight of personal fulfillment.
- The importance of building structure and boundaries as an entrepreneur to manage time effectively.
- Why it’s essential to align your career with your personal values and goals as a parent.
Insights into how to ask for help, build support systems, and find your community as a working mom.
- The reality of overcoming societal expectations about what success looks like after becoming a parent.
- How to empower yourself to pursue a meaningful career while raising a family.
This episode is packed with relatable stories and actionable tips for moms who want to thrive in both their personal and professional lives.
Connect with Jessica:
IG: @hiempower.co
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jmurray2
Website: hiempower.co
Newsletter: newsletter.hiempower.co/subscribe
Episode 56: From Chemical Engineering to Retail Strategist: Redefining Goals and Markers for Success with Monique Benoit
In this episode, we chat with Monique Hutcherson Benoit, a dynamic leader in retail and a mom of four, shares her remarkable journey from chemical engineering to retail strategy at Ulta Beauty, where she champions BIPOC-owned brands. Monique discusses the importance of embracing pivots, balancing career aspirations with motherhood, and the challenges of managing a large family while navigating life’s unexpected turns. With honesty and humor, she reflects on her experiences, including career transitions, co-parenting, and the evolving demands of motherhood. This inspiring conversation highlights the power of resilience, adaptability, and community support.
In this conversation:
- How Monique transitioned from chemical engineering to retail strategy and entrepreneurship
- The challenges and lessons learned from managing a large family while advancing her career
- The importance of building systems of support, both professionally and personally
- How to embrace pivots in career and life without feeling stuck in one path
Insights into supporting diverse-owned brands and creating equity in the retail space
- The evolving nature of motherhood and how to balance personal identity with parenting responsibilities
Connect with Monique:
Website: www.scalingemergingbeauty.com
Linked in: https://www.linkedin.com/in/moniquehbenoit/
Episode 55: Growing Upwell: Systems, Self-Care and Sustainability as a mother founder with Caitlyn Wells
In this episode, Caitlin Wells, founder of Upwell Strategies, shares her journey of leaving a corporate job at the start of the pandemic to build a business focused on helping small business owners, especially moms, streamline their operations with effective systems and automations. Caitlin talks about the delicate balance of growing her company while navigating new motherhood, the challenges of finding suitable childcare, and the ongoing tug-of-war between professional ambitions and being a present parent. She opens up about the importance of self-care for moms, how her business principles have crossed into her personal life, and her mission to create meaningful impact while supporting her family. Caitlin also offers insight into her vision for the future of Upwell Strategies and her aspirations for balance in all stages of life. This conversation is packed with relatable moments, especially for moms striving to juggle work, family, and their own needs!
Connect with Caitlin:
Website: https://upwellstrategies.com/
Instagram: @upwellstrategies
Episode 54: The Truth About Work-Life Balance and Why It’s Not All or Nothing With Jessica Freeman
In today's episode, we chat with Jessica Freeman from Jess Creatives as she shares her journey of building a successful business while balancing motherhood. Jess discusses how she grew her web design and SEO business, transitioned from a traditional job to entrepreneurship, and navigates the challenges of being a mom and business owner. She highlights the importance of prioritizing tasks, setting boundaries, and creating efficient systems to streamline workflows. Jess also demystifies SEO, offering practical advice for small business owners to improve their visibility without falling into common pitfalls or scams.
In this conversation:
- The importance of setting priorities and boundaries as a mom and entrepreneur
- How Jess transitioned from working a traditional job to running her business full-time
- Practical tips for leveraging SEO to grow your business without getting overwhelmed
- The value of streamlined systems and processes for managing a business efficiently
- Why it’s essential to trust your instincts and filter out the noise in the business advice world
Connect with Jessica:
Website: https://www.jesscreatives.com/
Instagram: @jesscreatives
Episode 53: The Power of Communication: Balancing Conflict Resolution, Business, and Family with Valerie Polunas
In this episode, Valerie Polunas, founder of Flowing River Conflict Solutions, LLC, shares her journey into conflict management and how she helps individuals, couples, and organizations navigate conflict with confidence. Valerie discusses her background in education, her passion for teaching communication and conflict resolution skills, and the challenges and rewards of entrepreneurship as a mom. She provides insights into the importance of viewing conflict as an opportunity for growth and collaboration, as well as how she balances business and family life. Valerie also highlights her work with social impact organizations and her creative projects, such as developing a game to help people practice conflict resolution skills.
In this conversation:
- How Valerie transitioned from a career in education to launching her own conflict management business
- The role of conflict resolution skills in both personal and professional relationships
- Tips for navigating entrepreneurship as a mom and balancing family life with work
- The importance of seeing conflict as an opportunity for growth and collaboration
- Creative ways to introduce and teach conflict resolution skills, such as through games and workshops
Connect with Valerie:
Website: www.flowingrivercs.com
Episode 52: Building Compassionate Workplaces: How Occupational Therapists and Moms Are Shaping the Future of Care with Sarah Blair
What happens when you build your career in a caregiving profession, only to realize after becoming a mother that the system was never built to support you?
This week, I sit down with Sarah Blair, a pediatric occupational therapist and mom, to talk about navigating motherhood in healthcare—a field dominated by women yet undervalued in so many ways.
In this conversation:
- The realities of working in professions shaped by care, compassion, and empathy
- Why “women’s work” is still undervalued and underpaid
- How motherhood exposes the cracks in these systems
- The personal toll of trying to fit into structures that weren’t designed with us in mind
- Why sharing our stories matters for creating real change
- This is a raw, important conversation about the cycles women and mothers get stuck in—and what it looks like to push for something different.
Connect with Sarah:
Website: https://www.automynd.com
Episode 51: From MTV to Motherhood: Marnie Ellis on Life, Production, and Perseverance with Marni Ellis
In this engaging episode, Emmy-nominated producer Marni Blake Ellis shares her inspiring journey from an MTV internship to producing critically acclaimed documentaries, reality shows, and digital programming for major networks like HBO, Bravo, and TLC. As a mom and a seasoned industry professional, Marni discusses the challenges of balancing a demanding career, her battle with stress-related multiple sclerosis, and the joys of raising her son while adapting to the ever-changing landscape of television. She also delves into her creative outlet, the podcast Hi Felicia with Marnie and Felicia, co-hosted with her mom, where they explore pop culture, media, and their unique mother-daughter dynamic. Together, they embrace the chaos of reality TV while celebrating the authenticity and connection it can bring.
Discussed in this episode:
- Marni’s career evolution from MTV intern to producing Emmy-nominated content and navigating the shifting landscape of TV and digital media
- Balancing her high-pressure career with motherhood, the impact of her MS diagnosis, and her decision to have one child
- The creation of Hi Felicia with Marnie and Felicia, focusing on pop culture and the heartwarming and humorous bond with her mom
- Parenting in a digital world, managing screen time, and fostering traditional TV habits with her son
- The value of reality TV and pop culture as escapism and their evolving role in storytelling today
Connect with Marni:
Website: https://www.instagram.com/marnijagger/
Instagram: https://www.marniblake.com
Podcast: Hi, Felicia! with Marni and Felicia
Episode 50: Reframing Family Roles: From Unpaid Labor to Empowered Living with Lori Sugarman-Li
Today we’re joined by Lori Sugarman, a former marketing executive turned passionate advocate for the value of unpaid labor in the home. Lori shares her transformative journey from a high-level corporate career to a devoted stay-at-home role, only to discover how society systematically undervalues the invisible work of care and home management. Lori reframes the narrative around this labor and its importance to family, community, and overall societal wellness. This episode is packed with thought-provoking moments, actionable ideas, and a call to recognize the inherent worth of every contribution made in and outside the home.
In this episode, we discuss:
- Lori’s journey from marketing executive to stay-at-home mom and community leader
- The pivotal moment when she was denied disability insurance for being “just a housewife” and how it ignited her mission to advocate for the value of unpaid labor
- The societal devaluation of caregiving and domestic work and how it reflects in our systems, from insurance policies to GDP calculations
- How families can reframe “chores” and involve kids in a meaningful way to foster connection and lifelong skills
- The role of communication and collaboration in achieving equity in the home and breaking generational cycles of inequity
- Lori's book, aimed at sparking family conversations about shared responsibility and the value of care work
Connect with Lori:
Website: Our Home, Our Pride
Laurie’s Book: Our Home: The Love, Work, and Heart of Family (Amazon link-also available wherever books are sold! This is not an affiliate link)
Episode 49: Building Life Through Heartache and the Power of Perseverance With Melissa Saleh
What do you do when the unimaginable happens?
In this conversation, Melissa Saleh shares her profound journey through grief, motherhood, and the challenges of navigating loss. From her experiences as a corporate lawyer to her transition into tech and startups, she discusses the impact of her personal tragedies, including the loss of her first child, and how these experiences have shaped her identity and purpose. Melissa emphasizes the importance of storytelling as a means of healing and the need for a supportive environment for those experiencing loss. She also addresses the challenges faced by women in the workplace, particularly regarding maternity leave and the need for systemic change. Through her narrative, she aims to create a lighthouse for others who are navigating similar journeys, offering hope and understanding.
About Melissa:
Melissa Saleh is a serial entrepreneur who has spent her career at the intersection of technology and human behavior. Since 2004 she has combined storytelling and bleeding-edge technology to build successful products, companies and brands.
In 2020 she cofounded FairPlay AI, the world's first Fairness-as-a-Service company.
Prior to that she created and executed narrative strategies for companies including Facebook, Google, Citibank and GE. After founding the content strategy firm Brick Wall Media in 2013, she built up a roster of Fortune 500 clients and worked extensively with early-stage cos to develop their mission, voice and brand narrative, then communicate them powerfully to the world.
As a journalist and editor, she launched and ran digital properties for The New York Times, Newsweek, Discover Magazine and others. She began her career as a labor and employment lawyer in New York City, then transitioned to media by founding the internationally-acclaimed blog Opinionistas, which revealed life inside the world's toniest law firms.
She has written for The New York Times, The New York Observer, Wired, The Huffington Post, The Daily Beast and others, and has appeared on-air for CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, Fox News, Fox Business and NPR. She received her JD from UVA School of Law and her BA from Dartmouth.
Connect with Melissa:
Season 4
Episodes 37-48
Episode 48: Choosing Family Over a Big Law Career and Finding Fulfillment with Lee Sevier
In today’s episode, we're joined by Lee Sevier, a former big law lawyer who boldly chose to leave her demanding career and be more present with her children. We dive into her journey of managing career aspirations and family priorities, discussing the trade-offs, challenges, and moments of clarity along the way. Lee also shares her experiences with her son’s developmental needs, revealing the reality of balancing specialized therapies with the everyday demands of family life.
Lee’s story is one of resilience, shifting priorities, and the importance of self-compassion, offering insights that any parent, career-driven or not, will find inspiring.
In this episode, we discuss:
The difficult decision to step away from a big law career to focus on family
Lee’s journey navigating her son’s special needs and therapy
How to embrace career pauses without seeing them as gaps
Tips for balancing career ambitions with the responsibilities of parenthood
Connect with Lee:
Episode 47: Feeling Supported at Work and at Home Through Online Community Building With Kate Westlund Tovsen, Founder of the Society for Working Moms
In today's episode, I welcome Kate Westlund Tovsen, the founder of the Society of Working Moms, a community designed for moms of all ages and stages to connect and get support. Kate shares insights about the group’s features, including monthly workshops, weekly group coaching, and a low-stakes book club. She also discusses the importance of work-life balance and the challenges she faced as a working mom of two. We dive into the inspiration behind creating the Society of Working Moms and how it has evolved since its inception six months ago. The conversation also touches on the community's approach to fostering connections, setting boundaries, and navigating the complexities of motherhood and career. Lastly, Kate talks about the group's coaching sessions, expert-led workshops, and the invaluable support members receive from each other.
Kate Westlund Tovsen is the founder of The Society of Working Moms, a membership community for and by moms of all ages and stages who love their families and their careers but who might not feel fully supported in either. Members enjoy a well-managed and engaged Slack community made up of generous women who provide overwhelming confirmation that we are not, in fact, alone. The group also boasts features such as monthly workshops, weekly group coaching sessions, and a "low-stakes book club."
Outside of being the group's community manager and her "real job" as a communications consultant, Kate enjoys doing endless DIY home projects around her kids' schedules and toys, exploring the beautiful lakes and woods that surround her home, snuggling with her family while watching a movie, and building IRL community in her small northern Minnesota town.
Connect with Kate:
Working Moms Society: Use code ANDBOTH for 50% off your first month of membership
Instagram: @thetovsens
Episode 46: Empowering Women Through Politics and Social Impact With Jennie Armstrong
In today’s episode, our guest is Jenny Armstrong, an elected Alaska state representative and founder of Wild Awake and Delve, two companies focused on empowering women and driving social good. Jenny shares her inspiring journey from the East Coast to Alaska, where she now balances politics, business, and motherhood. We discuss her work advocating for paid family leave, mental health, and childcare, along with her passion for helping other women succeed in leadership and entrepreneurship. Jenny also opens up about her family’s unique journey, including welcoming two refugee girls from Afghanistan into their home. Join us for an episode filled with insights on leadership, community impact, and what it truly means to make a difference.
In this episode, we discuss:
- Why Jenny ran for office and her legislative focus on family, mental health, and equality
- How she’s helping women entrepreneurs build impactful businesses through Wild Awake
- The challenges of balancing motherhood with a political career
- Her family’s journey welcoming two refugee girls and helping them thrive in the U.S.
- Practical advice for anyone looking to make a difference in their community
- Hit play to join us for an inspiring conversation with Jenny Armstrong about leadership, community, and the drive to make a positive impact!
Connect with Jenny:
Website: https://www.wildawakecreative.com/
Instagram: @wild_awake_creative
LinkedIn: Linkedin
Email: [email protected]
Episode 45: Transforming Passion for Fitness Marketing into a Career Empire as a Busy Mom With Tori Johnston
In this episode, we sit down with Tori Johnston, a marketing consultant and former CMO for top fitness brands like SoulCycle and Exponential Fitness. Tori shares her career journey from corporate marketing to consulting, while balancing her role as a mom to a three-and-a-half-year-old. She talks about the challenges of managing work and family life, the transition from city living to suburban life, and her experiences navigating the demands of being a female executive during the COVID-19 pandemic.
In this conversation:
- How did Tori transition from corporate marketing to consulting in the fitness industry?
- What are the biggest challenges she faces balancing her professional career and motherhood?
- How has her experience as a female executive influenced her views on workplace flexibility for moms?
- What advice does Tori have for moms balancing early parenthood with maintaining a career?
Key Takeaways:
Tori shares how she integrates fitness and reading into her busy schedule to stay grounded and find balance.
She discusses the importance of having strong support systems for working moms, both at work and in society.
Tori highlights how building a strong community around family life is crucial, especially for raising children.
Flexibility, self-care, and realistic expectations are key to managing a demanding career and family life.
Join us to learn how Tori Johnston manages her thriving fitness marketing career while balancing the demands of motherhood.
Episode 44: Embracing Change and Creative Pursuits With Chauncey Zalkin
In today's episode, I explore the multifaceted dynamics of balancing a creative career, parenting, and personal identity. Our guest, Chauncey Zalkin, shares her journey from being a senior VP in marketing to a creative entrepreneur focusing on writing and fiction projects, with aspirations to become a therapist. We discuss the challenges of maintaining authenticity, the influence of her entrepreneurial father and artistically inclined mother on her pursuits, and the importance of creative legacy. She also talks about her experience with school performance, balancing twin birthdays, and the need for intentional growth in entrepreneurship. We also hone in on empathetic parenting, co-parenting, the significance of accountability, and Chauncey's dreams of writing a book, collaborating on screenplays, and building a community through her podcast 'Actual People' and Substack.
Connect with Chauncey:
Website: https://chaunceyzalkin.com/
Podcast: Actual People
Episode 43: The Overlooked Power of Motherhood in Business Ownership With Jen White
In today's episode, I sit down with Jen White, the founder and chief brand strategist of Collective Memory. Jen shares her incredible journey of over two decades as an entrepreneur and discusses the powerful connections between running a business and raising a family. We dive into the concept of moms being the CEOs of their households and explore how the skills we learn as mothers can directly translate into leadership roles in the business world.
We talk about the challenges of balancing motherhood and entrepreneurship, and how making decisions for our families often mirrors the decision-making process in business. Jen, who has older children, offers insights into the different stages of motherhood and reflects on how her experiences have evolved over time.
We also explore the importance of mentorship, both in business and parenting, and how having someone a few steps ahead of you can be an invaluable resource. Jen shares her thoughts on what it means to lead with empathy and understanding, whether at home or in the workplace, and how giving ourselves credit for what we do as mothers can empower us in all aspects of life.
If you’ve ever felt like you're navigating both motherhood and entrepreneurship with uncertainty, this episode will provide you with the perspective and reassurance that you’re not alone. Join us as we explore the parallels between family and business, and how the lessons we learn in one area can inform and strengthen the other.
Connect with Jen:
Website: https://drawingfrommemory.com/
Email: [email protected]
Episode 42: Resilience, Transition, and Parental Leave With Nicole Lenzen
After a decade-and-a-half of chronic stress from trying to fit her square peg into the round hole of society, her body broke down, and she got Type 1 Diabetes as an adult, which dramatically shifted her perspectives. She now coaches women to expand into truer versions of themselves by discovering deep self-trust, writing their own rules, attuning to their hearts and bodies, and thriving in living their values.
Connect with Nicole:
Website: https://nicolelenzen.com/
Instagram: @nicolelenzencoaching
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicolelenzen
Substack: https://blog.nicolelenzen.com/
Episode 41: Overcoming Postpartum Sleep Struggles With Dr. Daniella Marchetti
In today's episode, we talk with Daniella Marchetti, a clinical psychologist specializing in behavioral sleep medicine. Daniella shares her journey into sleep medicine, motivated by her own postpartum sleep struggles and her discovery of cognitive behavioral therapy for insomnia. She emphasizes the importance of regular sleep schedules, the pitfalls of social jet lag, and the negative impact of using bed for activities like working or eating. Daniella discusses how she helps mothers, particularly those past the initial postpartum period, reclaim their sleep and highlights the importance of addressing sleep issues to prevent conditions like postpartum depression. Additionally, she provides insights into her work at the Miami VA, where she runs insomnia and CPAP groups for veterans, and shares some of her personal interests, like reading and watching Formula One. Daniella also talks about the benefits of teletherapy and her efforts to expand her practice to more states. The episode underscores the critical role of sleep in overall health and wellness, especially for new mothers and veterans.
Connect with Daniella:
Instagram: @drdaniellamarchetti
Email: [email protected]
Episode 40: From Grief to Growth and Rejecting External Validation with Abby Waychoff
In today's episode, we chat with Abby Wachoff, an occupational therapist and mother, to discuss the profound impact of losing her sister to cancer. Abby shares her raw and heartfelt journey through grief, how it reshaped her life and career, and her decision to pursue a master's in mental health counseling. They delve into the complexities of motherhood, grief, and the importance of being present. Abby's story of resilience and transformation offers valuable insights and a reminder that 'nothing is wasted.'
Connect with Abby:
Instagram: @mother.lover.ot
Episode 39: Valuing Care Work Is Fundamental for the Health and Wellbeing of Our Society With Tara Ryan
In today's episode, we address the outdated structure of company benefits that still cater to single-income families, despite the modern-day necessity of dual-income households. It highlights the challenges families face due to the mismatched timing of the school day and after-school programs, the high demand for summer camps, and how economic status and race compound these difficulties.
After 11 years in software sales where she led and scaled teams, Tara decided to pursue her dream of entrepreneurship. Her passion for deep self reflection, growth and equity drove her to become a certified professional coach, leadership development consultant, Fair Play Certified Facilitator and activist for valuing care. Tara works to create radically inclusive and equity-minded environments where everyone is encouraged to show up authentically.
Connect with Tara:
Website: www.infinidei.com
Instagram: @infinidei
Email: [email protected]
Episode 38: We All Need Someone in Our Corner, Especially Moms, With Jessica Hunt
In today's episode, we welcome Jessica Hunt- a psychotherapist and mother of two to discuss the challenges and nuances of balancing multiple roles in life. Jessica shares her journey as a mother and her professional life as a therapist and small business owner. In this conversation, we discuss parenting strategies, the importance of community and support systems, and Jessica's innovative 'walk and talk' therapy sessions. We also talk about the impact of COVID-19 on family dynamics, mental health, and work-life balance, and the need for ongoing communication and empathy within relationships.
Jessica Hunt, LCSW offers psychotherapy services in California. Jessica specializes in working with parents and couples to enhance their relationships, particularly in reconnecting with themselves and their partners. Services focus on self-compassion, mindfulness, and connection with one's identity as it evolves through life transitions and stages. In addition to therapeutic work, Jessica provides consulting, workshop facilitation, and public speaking, as well as resources to support self-care and self-paced learning.
Connect with Jessica Hunt:
Website: https://www.jessicahuntlcsw.com/
Linked In: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessicahuntlcsw/
Instagram: @jessicahuntlcsw
Episode 37: Three Seasons of Finding Community Through Shared Experiences
In today's episode, we're wrapping up season 3! We're talking all about how the AND/BOTH podcast has grown and highlights how individuals, including business owners, moms, and so many other women from walks of life, have turned their own challenging experiences into solutions that benefit others. Hit play and then binge all of the episodes to feel less alone!
Connect with Ashley:
Website: https://dovetaildesigns.co
Support AND/BOTH: Help us offset production costs while we're growing
Caregiver by Dovetail® App: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/dovetail-co/id6449788093
Instagram: @dovetaildesigns.co
Season 3
Episodes 25-36
Episode 36: Why Childcare Solutions Matter for Every Mom with Emily Guarnotta, founder of Phoenix Health
In today's episode, we're chatting with Emily Guarnotta about the significant issue of child care and the need for more companies to provide childcare benefits or in-house childcare facilities. We talk about ensuring that child care not only is available but also meets safety and comfort standards for parents, that the quality of child care including suitable stimulation and proper attention to children's needs, is crucial. Emily also highlights differences in state-provided child care benefits, with an example of South Carolina offering better state programs such as the 4k program.
Connect with Emily:
Phoenix Health website: www.joinphoenixhealth.com
Phoenix Health Instagram: www.instagram.com/_phoenix_health/
Phoenix Health Facebook: www.facebook.com/JoinPhoenixHealth
Emily's Instagram: www.instagram.com/dr_emily_guarnotta/
Episode 35: Diet Culture and Balancing Nutrition with Samantha Gollup of @anti.diet.mama
In today's episode, our guest Samantha Gollup and I discuss the importance of improving our relationship with food and our bodies, especially as parents. We talk about diet culture and generational trauma on our attitudes towards food and body image, not to mention the need for autonomy and self-regulation when it comes to eating and the importance of modeling healthy behaviors for our children.
In this episode:
-The importance of creating a positive food environment
-Allowing children to have autonomy in their food choices
-Focusing on functionality rather than appearance
-Challenges of parents not agreeing on feeding strategies
-The impact of diet and beauty culture on parenting
Hit play for an important conversation about the need for education, open communication, and acceptance of children's individuality and genetic predispositions!
Connect with Samanatha:
Website: https://www.antidietmama.com
Instagram: @anti.diet.mama
Blog post on body confidence in children: https://antidietmama.com/blog/cultivating-body-confidence-in-our-children-building-a-foundation-of-self-love
Body image books handout: https://antidietmama.myflodesk.com/bodyimagebooks
Episode 34: Corporate Challenges to Community Building with Brooke Shapiro, founder of @sprinkleparents
In today's episode, we welcome Brooke Shapiro, the owner of Sprinkles Parents. Brooke shares her personal journey as a mom and her experience working in the parenting space, and the challenges she faced in the workplace, including being laid off twice after returning from maternity leave. This led her to start Sprinkles Parents, a community and resource hub for parents where she provides various resources and support for parents, including online courses, playgroups, and a network of trusted service providers.
In this episode:
- The challenges faced by working moms, including discrimination and lack of support in the workplace
- The importance of creating resources and support systems for parents
- The value of moms supporting each other and sharing resources
- The need for flexible and understanding workplaces for parents There is a growing recognition of the need to provide better support and understanding for parents, particularly mothers, who often bear the brunt of caregiving responsibilities.
- Addressing the physical and emotional challenges of motherhood, such as postpartum care and the mental load, is crucial for the well-being of mothers and families.
- Partners and family members need to be educated and aware of the challenges faced by mothers in order to provide effective support.
- Societal expectations and gender roles play a significant role in shaping caregiving dynamics and need to be reexamined.
Connect with Brooke:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sprinklesparents/
Episode 33: Finding Fulfillment Beyond Motherhood with Jill Sutton of @livingherlegacypodcast
In this episode, we chat with our guest Jill Sutton, a mom and host of the Living Her Legacy Podcast. We dive into the complexities of balancing motherhood with career aspirations, the pressures of perfect motherhood, and the importance of finding personal fulfillment. Jill shares her journey from being a physical therapist to a podcaster, discussing the personal growth and challenges faced along the way. We also touch on the significance of community, self-care, and adjusting expectations in motherhood.
Connect with Jill:
Website: https://jillgsutton.com/
Instagram: @jillgsutton
Podcast IG: @livingherlegacypodcast
Episode 32: Balancing Motherhood in the Age of Screens With Allie McQuaid (@millennialmomtherapist), founder of Tree House Therapy LLC.
In today's episode, we welcome our guest Allie McQuaid, a mom, therapist, and business owner. We chat about the pervasive guilt and pressure to be perfect that many moms experience, and how modern mothers increasingly balance professional work inside or outside the home. Allie also shares her journey of opening a private practice in Maryland, where she works with moms from a 'treehouse' office space (it is SO amazing!!) aiming to create a safe and welcoming environment. Societal expectations, the impact of screen time on children, and the need for more supportive mental health resources and community for mothers are all topics in toady's episode and trust - you don't want to miss this one!
Connect with Allie:
Website: https://www.treehousetherapyllc.com/
Instagram: @millennialmomtherapist
Episode 31: Redefining self care in a way that works for me and choosing battles (instead of all of them) with Mary Wiegand, founder of Boon
In this episode, we chat with Mary Wiegand, founder and CEO of Boone, a consulting agency specializing in demand forecasting and inventory management for product-based businesses. Mary shares her journey from a decade-long corporate career in retail to establishing Boone and discusses how she balances being a mother to six children with running a successful business. She talks about the importance of involving her children in the family's daily schedule, finding community, and maintaining confidence in oneself. And of course, Mary also offers practical advice for entrepreneurs and insights into how her company, Boone, supports smaller brands with a human-focused, fractional approach.
Connect with Mary:
Website: https://boonllc.net/
Instagram: @boon_llc
Episode 30: Managing Anxiety and Perfectionism as a Working Mom, the Overwhelming Expectations of Parenting with Justine Carino, founder of Carino Counseling Group
In today's episode, we chat with Justine Carino, a licensed mental health counselor from New York, specializing in anxiety disorders, couples therapy, and family therapy. Justine shares her journey into the mental health field, her experience of becoming a mother, and how it shaped her career focus towards maternal mental health. We talk about the impact of the pandemic on working mothers, the importance of seeking help, establishing boundaries, and navigating the pressures of modern parenting, the generational differences in parenting, the challenges of balancing professional and personal lives, plus the societal pressures on mothers today.
Connect with Justine:
Website: https://www.carinocounseling.com
Instagram: @_thoughtsfromthecouch_
Episode 29: Creating Space to Explore the Nuances of Motherhood, Why It Feels Lonely Even Though You’re Never Alone with Erin Spahr- @feminist.mom.therapist
In today's episode, we welcome Erin Spar, a feminist mom therapist and the host of the Feminist Mom Podcast. We chat all about the individualistic approach to parenting, the societal pressure on mothers to be perfect and self-regulated without sufficient support, and the importance of cultural and systemic change to alleviate the unrealistic expectations placed on mothers.
We also dig into the significance of self-compassion, societal pressures, the impact of the pandemic on mental health and motherhood, and the need for systemic changes benefiting parenting and mental health support.
Connect with Erin:
Instagram: @feminist.mom.therapist
Website: https://www.erinspahrtherapy.com/
Episode 28: The Pressure of Exceptionalism and the Reality of Balancing Work and Motherhood With Jess Weisz
In today's episode, Jess Weisz and I chat about the concept of exceptionalism and the immense pressure it creates, particularly for mothers striving to balance career, caregiving, and self-care. We talk about the unrealistic corporate culture demands, the systemic challenges mothers face, and the impact of society's lack of trust and support systems.
Topics also covered:
-Exploitation of causes by corporations and the prioritization of space exploration over fundamental human needs
-Self-worth and the fallacy of exceptionalism
-The value of one's inherent achievements
Listen in as we envision a future where caregiving is valued equitably in society.
Connect with Jess:
Website: https://rulebreaker.substack.com
Episode 27: Breaking Barriers and Stigmas of Sexuality and Intimacy With Dr. Jasmonae Joyriel
In this episode, our guest, Dr. Jasmonae Joyriel, dives deep into the complexities of emotional intelligence, communication in relationships, and the nuanced dynamics of parenthood. This conversation brings to light the critical importance of understanding oneself and one's partner emotionally for a healthier relational dynamic while also dicing into cultivating vulnerability and assertiveness- especially discussing sensitive topics like sexuality and intimacy which are often shrouded in societal stigma. Tune in to understand the transformative power of acknowledging the full spectrum of emotions from an early age; stressing the impact on both personal and professional relationships.
Connect with Jasmonae:
Instagram: @ignite_anew
Tiktok: @dr.jasmonaejoyriel
Episode 26: Caring for the Caregiver: Parenting Beyond Traditional Roles with Paige from @sheisapaigeturner
In today's episode, we're joined by Paige from @sheisapaigeturner as we talk about the challenges faced by women in balancing parenthood and work, particularly focusing on the unequal burden of parenting, societal expectations, and the importance of support systems for mothers. This conversation sheds light on the necessity of open dialogues about parenting responsibilities and self-care practices in achieving a more equal and fulfilling motherhood experience. It's a must-listen!
Connect with Paige:
Tiktok: @sheisapaigeturner
Instagram: @sheisapaigeturner
Episode 25: Harnessing Motherhood's Untapped Business Potential With author Melissa Llarena
In this episode, our guest Melissa Llarena and I explore how the experiences of motherhood can be leveraged in professional settings, plus using creativity and imagination as competitive advantages. Melissa shares her journey from leaving a corporate career to starting her own coaching business, highlighting the need for mothers to balance personal and professional lives all while staying authentic. We also discuss the importance of making strategic choices and connections to achieve individual ambitions.
Connect with Melissa:
Website: https://www.melissallarena.com/
Instagram: @melissallarena
Podcast: Unimaginable Wellness
Season 2
Episodes 12-24
Episode 24: Distilling Complex Topics and Helping Mothers Protect the Value in Their Work With Lauren Bercuson, founder of Storylock Legal
In this episode, we talk to trademark and intellectual property attorney, Lauren Bercuson, as we talk about balancing parenthood, self-care, and career, especially touching on the challenges of finding time for personal activities amid our busy lives.
Lauren shares her journey, from coping with her son's health crisis to starting her own law firm, Storylock Legal, to support other women and mom entrepreneurs in protecting their intellectual property. We discussed the importance of setting realistic expectations for entrepreneurship, the pressures of 'having it all,' and the importance of trademark protection, especially for female founders. Lauren's commitment to helping others navigate the intimidating world of legal matters was truly inspiring, reminding us that sometimes it's necessary to lean on professional help to set ourselves up for success.
Connect with Lauren:
Website: www.storylocklegal.com (Grab a free consultation on intellectual property protection!)
Instagram: @storylocklegal
Episode 23: Unraveling the Struggle: Embracing Presence Amid Clutter and Perfectionism with Amanda Hofman, founder of Go To Market
In today's episode, we're joined with our guest Amanda Hofman, founder of Go to Market, a New York City-based branded merchandise studio focused on creating sustainable, high-quality promotional items that reflect a company's values and brand identity. We talk about the challenges of achieving work-life balance, the pressure and unrealistic expectations set by social media, and the importance of making intentional choices in parenting and business.
Amanda shares her journey of running her second company while prioritizing her family, personal interests, and highlights the concept of 'anti-junk' branded merchandise, aiming to provide meaningful, environmentally friendly options for companies looking to engage their audience without contributing to waste. Amanda's insights into authentic living, steering clear of the hustle culture, and building a business that aligns with one's values offer valuable takeaways for us out here juggling various roles in our lives!
Connect with Amanda:
Website: https://gotomarket.studio/
Instagram: @gotomarketstudio
Episode 22: How Our Conditioning around Motherhood Lets Us Down and What We Can Do About It With Valerie Recore from Stride Productivity
In this episode, we chat with Valerie Recore about the challenges that mothers face in modern society. The societal double standards between mothers and fathers, the immense pressure to manage every detail of their children's lives, the difficulties of setting boundaries, prioritizing personal well-being, and the struggle to find leisure time amidst heavy commitments. And that's not all!
Valerie is a productivity coach and fair play method facilitator, who was gracious enough to share her insights on mindset shifts, time management, and so much more. In this episode, you'll take away actionable strategies that are highlighted to help mothers gain control, find peace, and carve out time for themselves in the middle the demands of parenthood.
Connect with Valerie:
Website: https://strideproductivity.com/
Private podcast: https://strideproductivity.com/schoolpickup/
Instagram: @strideproductivity
Episode 21: Proactive and Preventative Care Is Missing in the Postpartum Healthcare Space With Dr. Danielle Wright-Terrell, founder of Honey
In today's episode, we welcome with open arms Dr. Danielle, the founder of Honey, a company focusing on comprehensive support for new parents in the postpartum phase. Dr. Danielle shares her motivation behind starting Honey, rooted in her personal experiences with the gaps in postpartum care within a universal insurance system.
Her company aims to provide proactive and preventative medical education and coaching for moms and dads, moving away from the reactive approach prevalent in current healthcare systems. Honey offers community support, group coaching, and an 11-module course addressing key postpartum areas: infant care, physical recovery, mental wellness, and intimacy.
Danielle's mission is to make a change in the gaps in postpartum care and change how postpartum care is approached in medical education.
Connect with Danielle:
Website: www.hellohoneyteam.com
Instagram: @hellohoneyteam
Episode 20: Finding Your Identity In Motherhood and Entrepreneurship with Kristina Godfrey, founder of Godfrey Social PR
In today's episode, I chat with Kristina Godfrey, the founder of Godfrey Social PR. Kristina shares her journey as a mother of three boys, and as an entrepreneur who started her PR firm in 1997. We talk all about maintaining a balance between professional and personal life, and the importance of keeping one's own identity and friendships outside of motherhood. This episode is for you no matter what season of motherhood you're in - the realness and wisdom that Kristina brings to this episode is one you don't want to miss!
Connect with Kristina:
Website: https://www.godfreysocialpr.com/
Instagram: @godfreysocialpr
Episode 19: The Other Side of the Self Care Conversation and What Is Teenternity Leave? With Penny Goffman from Hey Mama
In today's episode, I talk with Penny Goffman, the head of community at Hey Mama, a private membership community aimed at working moms, especially those who are entrepreneurs or involved in building brands or businesses. Penny details her journey and role in Hey Mama, and talks about the importance of creating connections and providing resources for moms in the business world.
We also dive into how the dynamics of motherhood and business intersect, with a focus on the challenges and opportunities that arise from balancing both like parenting, self-identity, and the evolution of careers and roles for moms in today's society.
Connect with Penny:
Instagram: @thatpennylife_
Episode 18: Philanthropy Probably Doesn’t Mean What You Think It Does With Jenn Klein, founder of You Are A Philanthropist
In this episode, I interview Jenn Klein, founder and CEO of 'You Are a Philanthropist' and author of 'Giving is Selfish'. She discusses her mission to spread awareness about the joy and health benefits of giving back to communities and the broader world. She explains the concept of the 'helper's high' and the mental and physical health benefits of volunteering. Jenn shares her journey from a fundraiser to a mother and author, speaking about the importance of role models in instilling the value of giving back in individuals from a young age.
We also talk about the challenges people face in volunteering, such as time constraints, and suggests ways to overcome these barriers. Jenn aims to redefine philanthropy to include small acts of kindness and contributions that everyone can make to recognize their potential to impact their communities positively.
Connect with Jenn:
Volunteer Match: https://www.volunteermatch.org/
Website: www.youareaphilanthropist.com
Linked in: @/jennkleincoach/
IG: @_jennklein
Episode 17: Understanding the Influence Our Reactions Have on Those Around Us With Jess Adam of Handlers & Humans
In today's episode, I sit down and chat with Jess from Handlers and Humans. We discuss the challenges of dog ownership and the connection to parenthood. Jess explains her work supporting dog owners through coaching and the parallels between handling tough dogs, parenting, working virtually, and revamping her course to provide targeted support within a community setting. Jess also talks about training dog trainers on person-centered dog training and emphasizes the importance of seeking support for both dog owners and dog trainers.
Connect with Jess:
Website: https://www.handlersandhumans.com/
Episode 16: What Do You Do When Your Career No Longer Aligns With Your Life With Becca Carnahan, founder of Next Chapter Careers
In today's episode, I chat with Becca Carnahan from Next Chapter Careers as we discuss the transition many adults must make when their careers and life circumstances change, focusing particularly on those in caregiving professions. Becca details her background, her own transitions and how she leads people through the journey of identifying their career's sweet spot and exploring new paths forward with her business, Next Chapter Careers.
Connect with Becca:
Website: https://nextchaptercareers.us
LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/beccacarnahan
Episode 15: Creating Community for Prenatal and Postpartum Mothers and Partners With Jessica Hill, founder of The Parent Collective
In today's episode, we dive into the world of fair play coaching and the pursuit of equitable distribution of household responsibilities between men and women. We explore proactive strategies and visualizations for successful collaboration, discuss the complex emotions and challenges of motherhood and parenting, and highlight the need for ongoing support and recognition for mothers. The conversation also touches on the transition into motherhood and the importance of nurturing oneself while managing multiple responsibilities. Let's dive in!
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Epsiode 14: The Positive Side of Cycle Breaking With Fiona Walsh from Fiona Walsh Coaching
In this episode, our guest Fiona Walsh and I explore the challenges of balancing career and family responsibilities, the need for flexibility and self-care, and the societal shift in expectations. She also shares personal experiences and habits for prioritizing self-care, and the importance of individual actions in driving systemic change. There is a way to find balance, gratitude, and self-reflection in both personal and professional pursuits and in this episode, we chat all about it. Let's go!
Connect with Fiona:
Fiona's website
Episode 13: The Elephant in the Room That New Moms Face
In this episode, we're talking about the elephant in the room! (And not in the bad way!) On the show so far, we've had a lot of conversations and a lot of the different stories that we've talked about and people that we've heard from are mosy likely at a different period in the parenthood spectrum than where you are. And I think it's important because we don't always point that out.
I'm talking about going whole force into motherhood, fully engulfed, then somewhere along the line running out of run out of steam when it comes to being able to show up without recharging your own battery.
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Episode 12: A Short and Sweet Update
This week's episode is a solo episode. I come on and talk about how much it has meant to me, so far, to have all of the support that I do from this special community. Thank you so much to each and every one of you who has listened to the podcast, downloaded episodes, and commented. It means the world.
I also give a personal life update where it felt like the bottom dropped out from beneath me. The podcast had to take the back burner for a bit but the life incident that I went through was also a very tender reminder that you don't have to have a huge community to still feel supported through life's most difficult moments.
And finally I talk through some updates about the podcast. I give you a glimpse on what is to come, some ideas for round table discussions where we have more than one guest on the show, and why it is important to me to shy away from having "experts" on. If there are guests who you'd like to hear from or topics that you would like me to cover, I would love to hear from you. Send me a message or an email with your ideas!
Episode 11: Who Am I Now That I'm a Mom? with Elisabeth Emmerich, founder of Experience Motherhood
Elisabeth Emmerich from @experiencemotherhood is our guest today. Elisabeth is a licensed therapist in the state of Minnesota where she has her own private practice. She is also the mom to three boys and the founder of her own business; Experience Motherhood. She not only has over a decade of experience in the professional world but she also has her own examples of motherhood that she shares throughout this episode.
Today we talk all about finding yourself in motherhood. Elisabeth started Experience Motherhood a little over a year ago when she realized that so many of her clients and friends seemed to have lost a part of themselves once they became moms. Elisabeth stresses the importance of making motherhood your own. You don’t have to raise your children the same way as your neighbor down the street. In fact what makes motherhood so beautiful is the joy that comes from the uniqueness of each individual's personal experience with it.
One thing that we want you to get from this conversation is that it is okay to spend some time on you. If your children see you doing what you love, they are going to benefit as well. And remember, what being a good mom means to you will, and should, look completely different to another mom. You have to take care of yourself first so that in return you can do what is best for your family.
Connect with Elisabeth:
Elisabeth’s Course
Listen to Elisabeth’s Podcast
Episode 10: The Importance of Getting Sleep As a Mom with Mica Deshaw, co-founder of Rested Mama Happy Baby
Mica Deshaw of Rested Mama, Happy Baby is on the show today. Mica is a Certified Pediatric Sleep Expert whose mission with Rested Mama, Happy Baby is to give families the rest they need to enjoy their time in the world of parenthood in a way that is responsive and holistic with their unique Association Fading Sleep Method that is trademarked.
In our conversation, Mica shares how becoming a mom herself is what catapulted her into the world of sleep. She was someone who read all the books and did everything by the book so when none of that seemed to have prepared her for the realities of motherhood, she was shocked. She felt completely lost in the world and it was all because of a lack of sleep.
Mica shares what sets her and her business partner Chelsae’s sleep training method apart from the others that are out there and what finally getting sleep did for her life. And spoiler alert, she is a mom of two now so she did make it through those early stages of sleep deprivation that can make you feel like you never want to do this parenting thing again!
Follow Mica on Instagram: @rested_mama_happy_baby
Episode 9: The Home is for Living, Not for Staging with Sara Kelly, founder of Your Aligned Home
This week we are talking with Sara Kelly from Your Aligned Home. Sara is originally from Nebraska but now lives in upstate New York. She is a wife, mom, and dog lover. She’s also had over 20 jobs throughout her life and does not consider herself a career woman. Sara is currently a business owner who is trying to, as cliché as it sounds, enjoy every moment life currently has to offer.
Your Aligned Home originated from Sara going into other people’s homes and asking them what they would have a second version of themselves do. She quickly realized that every woman felt like she was failing in some aspect of managing the home. What Sara also learned was that every woman had a superpower that she herself did not recognize. We all have strengths and weaknesses and the goal of Your Aligned Home is to put systems into place so that anyone under the same roof can follow steps that allow a home to function in a more efficient manner.
Sara also speaks on the importance of not judging other people’s homes when we walk into them and therefore, as a result, not feeling the societal pressure to clean our homes and apologize for “the mess” every time a guest comes over. She reminds us to ask ourselves, are we tidying up our homes because it will make us feel better or because someone is going to judge me if I don't?
Follow @youralignedhome on Instagram
Episode 8: Slowly But Surely, Profound Change Can Happen with author Jenna Hermans
We are honored to have Jenna Hermans on the show today. She is a wife, mom of four, co-founder and COO of a transformation company called Be Courageous, and author of the book Chaos to Calm - Five Ways Busy Parents Can Break Free from Overwhelm. We are chatting all things from career transitions to what it’s like working with your husband.
Jenna has a background in psychology, organizational management, HR, and ran a preschool for five years. All of these skills and experiences set her up for running her own household, or so one would think. Jenna gets really honest about how hitting rock bottom was the only thing that allowed her to come up for air and start figuring out new systems and strategies to make positive changes in order to be the woman she wanted to be.
Being raised by a single mom, journaling, and connecting with others outside of the lonely world of entrepreneurship are just a few of the real life examples that have helped Jenna get to where she is at today. In this interview Jenna’s authenticity and non-condescending tools shine through. If you’re seeking an honest conversation about both the pros and cons of each phase of parenting, then this is your episode!
Follow Jenna on Instagram - @jennazhermans
Connect with Jenna on LinkedIn
Get Your Copy of Jenna’s Book; Chaos to Calm - Five Ways Busy Parents Can Break Free from Overwhelm
Episode 7: It Doesn't Have to Be Invisible with Allie Karagozian, founder of Holding Both
Today I am joined by the lovely Allie Karagozian. She is an Occupational Therapist, the owner of Holding Both, and the mom of two young boys. Allie has been an OT since 2015 and founded Holding Both; a organization that helps moms through secondary infertility, in 2022. We discuss how she handles the fast paced life of occupational therapy while balancing the slowing down that is needed when women are experiencing something like secondary infertility.
Allie shares her own experience with secondary infertility and explains what it was like working on the front lines during the pandemic while simultaneously going through infertility treatments. She states that one of the main goals of Holding Both is to create the space to allow mothers to engage and feel the joy in motherhood while holding the pain that comes with infertility.
Through everything that Allie does for others she is still able to find some moments in time for just herself. Writing is a therapeutic art form that she has used since she was little. Allie also shares her hopes and dreams for the future of Holding Both and is vulnerable in explaining that diving into the world of entrepreneurship was scary for her.
If you, or someone you know, struggle with secondary infertility, you’re not going to want to miss this episode!
Follow Allie on Instagram
Allie’s Website
Episode 6: The Holiday Pep Talk I Wish I Would've Had
I have been in the beginning stages of holiday planning and prep work. What I wanted to do with this episode is come on and share my three points for this season. This is the pep talk I wish I would’ve had years ago so hopefully you are able to take away some pointers.
The three areas that I focus on in this conversation are making sure you’re putting yourself on the list, being aware of the “should” activities, and not falling into the marketing scheme of believing that you need to buy a bunch of products in the new year to improve upon your current self.
As we are in the thick of the holiday season I want to remind you that you’re doing a great job. Make sure that you are doing something for yourself this time of year. Remember it’s okay to not want to be a completely different person next year. You are an essential piece of your family's puzzle and that means that you have to take care of your piece to complete it.
Episode 5: Having a Child Shocks the System with Christina Bogatsky
Christina Bogatsky is a mom of two and has her own coaching practice; Totally Fine Coaching. Before having children she spent nearly two decades in the corporate world. Motherhood rocked her world and in today’s conversation she shares the trials and tribulations she’s learned along the way.
We discuss how motherhood opened up her eyes to the small things and allowed her to figure out what really matters. Christina also shares how she had to learn that even five minutes of daily self-care lead to monumental change. These habits also were a great demonstration to her children that moms are still allowed time for themselves in motherhood.
Christina also shares how she was able to transition from trying to meet society's standards and expectations to choosing her own. She gives a hot take on not wanting the obedient child and opens up about how much parenting of herself she had to do once becoming a parent.
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Episode 4: Come As You Are with Hive Co-Founder Andrea Sommer
Today I am sitting down with the very talented, multi-dimensional Hive Co-Founder & CEO Andrea Sommer. Andrea and I first met when I was a participant in the Hive Investment Readiness Accelerator. She is also a mom to an almost five year old daughter and today’s episode is all about showing up as your whole self in entrepreneurship.
Andrea shares the backstory of Hive and how it started organically as a support group in a friend’s basement. It has now grown into a global startup accelerator with over 1200 members. In this episode Andrea shares how motherhood has taught her one of the most important lessons entrepreneurs can learn; how to say no. She has also flipped the script on the idea of having to hide our children in order to seem professional. Through Hive, she has created a company where women can unapologetically show up as their whole selves.
If you’re interested in learning more about how to raise venture capital as an entrepreneur be sure to check out Hive’s website below. I can personally attest to the benefits of joining the program. If you have questions about my experience, don’t hesitate to reach out.
Episode 3: When It Comes to Business, Ignorance Can Be Bliss with Dr. Dara Storch
The lovely Dr. Dara Storch of Seacoast Mobile Physical Therapy is our guest today. Dara has two grade school aged kids who love all things sports. She’s busy juggling her own PT practice while trying to find quality time to spend with her family. We are covering all things kids and managing your own business in today’s conversation.
Dr. Dara has a fresh take on the struggle of wanting to teach your kids the everyday mundane tasks but feeling the urge of just doing them yourself because it’s easier. She also shares her personal experience of launching a business, during the middle of a pandemic, while her children were home.
Starting your own business can be great when it's great, but when it’s not, it’s hard. Dara explains how in the beginning of her entrepreneurial journey she had to figure out who to take advice from, where to spend money, and the necessity of finding resources she could trust. She realizes that it’s sometimes necessary to wear all the hats of a business owner but she’s constantly working toward getting back to the area of business that she truly loves; being a PT.
Episode 2: Honoring Yourself Both Inside and Outside of Motherhood with Rachel Mae
Our very first guest on the AND/BOTH podcast is Rachel Mae. She hosts the podcast Mama’s Cup of Ambition, is the mama to two little boys and is a country singer/songwriter. In this episode Rachel shares her story of feeling the juxtaposition of being pulled towards both motherhood and her career as a creative artist at the same time.
We cover how Rachel is in the in-between phase of figuring out how to be both a mom and a professional artist. She is realizing that the longer she stays away from the music scene, the harder it is to get back into it. So rather than being able to go on a week-long retreat and write lyrics the whole time, she is now picking up the guitar in the living room and having a jam session while her kids are present.
Motherhood transforms us all. And Rachel shares a beautiful analogy toward the end of our conversation about comparing motherhood to the process of a caterpillar molding into a butterfly. She reminds us that it can be dark and mushy but in the end you’d never want to go back to not being able to fly. We’re still the same person we were before becoming a mom, so let’s not forget to honor and advocate for her both in and out of our roles as mom.
Episode 1: Welcome to the AND/BOTH Podcast with Dr. Ashley Blackington
Welcome to the AND/BOTH Podcast. I’m so excited that you’re here. I’m Dr. Ashley Blackington, your host. I am a mom to four kids and have over 12 years of experience as an Occupational Therapist. In this very first episode I explain what an OT does and share how becoming a mom is what catapulted my transition into being a business owner.
I started my entrepreneurship journey as an OT consultant but when the pandemic hit, and my husband had to go back to work right away I realized that I was getting lost in motherhood. So, I created Dovetail Designs Co.; a planning system where you, as mom, are able to find time for what you truly enjoy outside of motherhood.
We can all agree that we love our kids. There’s no doubt about that. But my goal with this podcast is to help you figure out what else you enjoy beyond motherhood. One of my favorite questions to ask is, “What do you like to do for fun?” If you struggle to answer that, number one you’re not alone and number two - this podcast is for you.
We will hear from all kinds of moms and listen to what lights them up. What brings them joy? What are they working on? My goal is to bring people on who you can relate to. I want to create a space for you to be fully seen and acknowledged for who you are outside of your role as a mom.
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